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[gus]

First of all, I want to express my satisfaction for the freedom to expression that I found in this forum.
I’m from the ‘other corner of the world’, Argentina, South America. I never was in Cyprus, not even in Europe, but I love that country so much and I’m eager to learn more and more about the Cyprus problem. Actually I have learned a lot in this forum. But let me tell you my point of view.

Cyprus problem is a very complex one. The first reaction I had when I learnt about Turkish invasion was: “What about US-UN intervention against Iraqi invasion of Kuwait? Why they didn’t do nothing to get off an army that invaded a sovereign country as de Republic of Cyprus?” First answer: Cyprus don’t have petroleum in her land! Second answer: Shame on the UN!

I don’t want you get bored reading so many things in my poor English, so let me tell you what many of us, living so far away, learned about de referenda on April 2004.
For GC: It was so evident that the Annan plan was TC-sided! Why Mr. Annan didn’t realize that you couldn’t bring peace to a country allowing 30,000 troops staying as long as they want there.
For TC: Yes! We want to get in the EU, together with you… mazi sas!
Yes! We want to share the benefits of being Europeans, with little sacrifice!
Yes! We want to share the benefits of good administrations in the south!
Yes! We could let you to take some lands (little of those that we took from you about 30 years ago) and we could buy anything we want in the south…

Third answer: Shame on you again UN!

The last thing I want to share with you is the famous custom protocol and the Turkish declaration of not recognition of the Cyprus Republic. Why EU (obviously tended by the US) admit such conditions of a candidate country, that not respect international law? What kind of club is the EU? The only I know in what the candidates puts their conditions to get in !!!!

Four and last answer: Shame on you EU!!!

I apologize to those who don’t think like me, but that’s my point of view. Thanks for reading.

[bg_turk]

For GC: It was so evident that the Annan plan was TC-sided! Why Mr. Annan didn’t realize that you couldn’t bring peace to a country allowing 30,000 troops staying as long as they want there.

Why exactly do you think the Annan plan was biased? In fact you are wrong in believing that the Annan Plan would have allowed turkish troops indefinitely. There was a time table that required them to leave, only a symbolic number of 600 turkish troops would have stayed together with as many greek troops.

For TC: Yes! We want to get in the EU, together with you… mazi sas!
Yes! We want to share the benefits of being Europeans, with little sacrifice!
Yes! We want to share the benefits of good administrations in the south!
Yes! We could let you to take some lands (little of those that we took from you about 30 years ago) and we could buy anything we want in the south…

When you say "we", do you mean you argentians want to do these things with TC?

[Main_Source]

If you cant see that the Annan plan was heavily biased...then there is no point in even tryin to debate with you.

[garbitsch]

Cyprus problem is a very complex one. The first reaction I had when I learnt about Turkish invasion was: “What about US-UN intervention against Iraqi invasion of Kuwait? Why they didn’t do nothing to get off an army that invaded a sovereign country as de Republic of Cyprus?” First answer: Cyprus don’t have petroleum in her land! Second answer: Shame on the UN!

What was your reaction to the occupation of Falkland islands by Argentina. What is your current reaction to the continuing Argenitinian claims on these British territories? Shame on Argentina??

[Piratis]

What was your reaction to the occupation of Falkland islands by Argentina. What is your current reaction to the continuing Argenitinian claims on these British territories?

British Territories? You mean colony? Or you mean that the ancient British people moved there thousands of years ago?

[Piratis]

For GC: It was so evident that the Annan plan was TC-sided! Why Mr. Annan didn’t realize that you couldn’t bring peace to a country allowing 30,000 troops staying as long as they want there.
For TC: Yes! We want to get in the EU, together with you… mazi sas!
Yes! We want to share the benefits of being Europeans, with little sacrifice!
Yes! We want to share the benefits of good administrations in the south!
Yes! We could let you to take some lands (little of those that we took from you about 30 years ago) and we could buy anything we want in the south…

You got it almost right my friend. As Bg_Turk said, after several years the Turkish troops were supposed to leave apart from 600 soldiers... BUT they would have the right to return whenever they felt like, and bring not 30.000 but 200.000 troops if they wanted. Basically the Annan plan would make the whole Cyprus the banana republic of Turkey and the AngloAmericans on the expense of democracy and even our basic human rights.

[bg_turk]

BUT they would have the right to return whenever they felt like, and bring not 30.000 but 200.000 troops if they wanted.

That is untrue. The Treaty of Guarantees would allow intervention only in case the territorial integrity or soveregnity of the whole of Cyprus or any of the component states is under threat. If this clause is revoked TC would basically be left at the mercy of GC since they have no security mechanisms of their own.

And you know very well that with Cyprus in the EU it will be much harder for Turkey to launch a military intervention similar to that in 1974. Then the miliraty intervention was justified under this treaty since GC were trying to dissolve the Republic, what was unjustified was the fact that rather than restoring order turkish troops partitioned the Republic.

The Treaty of Guarantees would simply act as a deterrant to such things occuring again with the would-be United Republic of Cyprus. If GC were prepared to adhere to the provisions of the Annan Plan, there would have been nothing to worry about with the Treaty of Guarantees.

[RAFAELLA]

Welcome to the forum Gus
It's nice to see people of other ethnicities participating in a forum about Cyprus problem.

The Anan plan as you already know was made just to satisfy Turkey's interests. I'm glad that we, Gcs, rejected such a biased plan.
The following are the main negatine points of the plan:
1- With the adoption of the new constitutional model of the UN Annan Plan in Cyprus, the Turkish Cypriots would automatically join the European Union regardless of any criteria and subsequently many thousands of Turkish settlers brought in Cyprus illegally by Turkey would acquire European citizenship equal to the French and the Dutch European citizens.
2- The new constitutional model for Cyprus would establish single voice in the EU, notwithstanding the fact that the Minister of Foreign Affairs would be Greek Cypriot whereas the Cyprus European Commissioner would be Turkish Cypriot. But other than that, yes, single voice! (sic).
3- A certain number of Greek Cypriots would return back to their homes. Others would receive "compensations" paid out of their own pockets through the establishment of special income-tax compensation funds. This would create many classes of "European" citizens, divided racially, ethnically, politically, economically, and religiously, but other than that they would all be "Europeans" enjoying the "same" rights.
4- Turkey would have extended military intervention rights over the entire of the United Cyprus Republic. This is indeed a very positive point for Turkey's interests.
5- The retaining of the illegal Turkish settlers brought in Cyprus by Turkey in order to destroy the demographics of Cyprus. This destruction affects not only the Greek-Cypriots but also the Turkish Cypriots that are a minority in the occupied areas of Cyprus.
6- The deprivation of the properties of the Greek Cypriots in the occupied areas of Cyprus by Turkey.
7- The victims of the Turkish invasion and ethnic cleansing, the Greek Cypriots, would have to pay reparations to themselves (!!!) for losing their properties by paying taxes to the reparations council! This would bring economic disaster to the island since the level of compensations is estimated to 8 billion US dollars.
8- Greek Cypriots are becoming second class citizens in their own country. They constitute the 82% of the population, yet, every 8 Greek-Cypriot votes will be equated with 1 Turkish-Cypriot vote! Cypriots will no longer be European citizens, but slaves!
9- The solution is an economic disaster for Greek-Cypriots who have been working hard to reach EU economic standards but at the end of the day the Turkish-Cypriots will be the sole benefactors of the accession to the EU.
10- With this plan, Cyprus becomes a protectorate of Turkey, the invader of Cyprus and legalizes all Turkish crimes against Cyprus. Further, no decision will be possible without the prior approval of Ankara. The Cypriots will be slaves to the Turks.
11- All provisions of the plan relating to the rights of the Turkish Cypriots have IMMEDIATE effect, whereas all provision relating to the Rights of the Greek Cypriots have an interlocutory period that spans 20 years from the signing of the agreement.

Unfortunately the US, Kissinger, gave the green light to Turkey to invade Cyprus. No matter how many resolutions were made by UN, regarding the violation of human rights, the sovereignty of Cyprus Republic etc, Turkey never respected any of them.
And still today US actions are only to favor Turkey's interests.
"When we were trying to convince Turkey to allow the passage of our troops through its territory in Northern Iraq, we gave Turkey two motives: several billion dollars in the form of donations and loans and Cyprus in the form of the Annan plan."
Daniel Fried (member of the National Security Council and special advisor to President Bush), 26 June 2004
Need for a better proof?

Hopefully soon enough there will be a fair solution for both Gcs & Tcs without turkish troops presence and illegal settlers who were baptised Cypriots by the puppet state "trnc".

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RAFAELLA

Hopefully soon enough there will be a fair solution for both Gcs & Tcs without turkish troops presence and illegal settlers who were baptised Cypriots by the puppet state "trnc

Like to hold your breath on that one Rafaella?? dont think so some how

[garbitsch]

What was your reaction to the occupation of Falkland islands by Argentina. What is your current reaction to the continuing Argenitinian claims on these British territories?

British Territories? You mean colony? Or you mean that the ancient British people moved there thousands of years ago?

Falkland islands belong to Britain, which this ownership is recognised by the international law. What happened to your faith in these laws?