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[kimon07]

A very British defeat

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Yet the retreat was also a humiliating defeat.

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With almost all their equipment lost and their organisation in disarray, the British armies that returned to southern England were scarcely a fighting force.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/book ... efeat.html

Tell me something: Were they the same "40.000 darling poor conscripts" that could not put up with the 250 EOKA fighters and the underaged GREEK Cypriot school children during the EOKA struggle during 1955-1959?

[humanist]

Well, if that was Mr Mtorshead's view back in 1964, then he should have focused in resettling the loyalist Irish (who decent from settlers) somewhere in the UK, and passed on Northern Ireland back to the Republic of Ireland... Cyprus is not the only nation in the world who's population consist in different ethnic backgrounds. Ultimately, no non cypriot out there with two fingers of general knowledge perceives Cyprus as Greek or Turkish. It is seen as a sovereign nation with its own identity. Its citizens (the legal one's) regardless the background are widely understood to be Cypriots. In my view, the only viable solution would be to get rid of the 1974 invaders and their settlers, so that the citizens could then democratically decide the nations path, not as Greeks,turks,Armenians or Maronites, But as equal CYPRIOTS.

AMEN

But now try convince the TC's of this, the British with their devissive tactics, the international community who don't care about Cypriots

[GreekIslandGirl]

The Brits have always known Cyprus is Greek. For example, they referred to returning Cyprus to Greece.

1."I believe each of the ten measures I propose, including the return of Cyprus to Greece will at some stage become a matter of necessity."

(They proposed measures as to how to go about this. Under the heading:)

2. " 10. The return of Cyprus to Greece."

3. "I would strongly advocate that consideration be given to the very early cession of Cyprus to Greece."

(Letter to Bevin; Francis Noel-Baker, MP. 1945)


When they wanted to start the Cyprus problem (1960), they brought in Turkey. So when they wanted to end the Cyprus problem (by 1964) they knew the most viable solution was to remove Turkey and resettle unhappy Turkish Cypriots off to Turkey. Sounds viable to me!

Sounds like ethical cleansing to me...

I agree it sounds highly ethical to resettle those unhappy TCs who have inadvertently found themselves on a Greek island!

You caught me out in a typo. Good for you! You are bound to catch me again as i have never been to an English school before. Now what Greek Island are you Talking about? Satorini? Paros? or is it Corfu?

You are a very confused Turk. Typo? No such thing according to Freud. Admit it, the most viable solution (according to the British) is for the disaffected TCs to resettle in Turkey. Why would they want to be just 80 Km south of Turkey, with all the trouble that entails, when they can be in Turkey safe and sound and living up to their own ideology?

Go on .... make a leap of faith !

[kimon07]

What a load of bollocks. Cyprus is Turkish and has been since 1571. GC's should be grateful we are allowing them 63% of the island.

Such a typical Anatolian/neo Ottoman way of thinking. And what had been the prevailing culture,language and religion on the island from 1200 BC till the Ottomans first set foot on it in 1571? And for how long did they stay in control of the island? And who was in control of it from during the Hellenistic era of Alexander the Great and his successors, till Lionheart took it? And have you ever wondered what the descent of most indigenous TCs really is? Have a clue for research: "Linobambaki".

[GreekIslandGirl]

...he should be informed, in strict confidence, of the British government's view on the type of solution (enosis or Greek Cypriot dominated unitary state) which offers the best hope of meeting the real interests of all the parties most directly concerned.

[kurupetos]

So please let us all know exactly when in history that Cyprus came under Greek rule ?

It never has been Greek and the inhabitants of the South of the island are mainly of Arab extraction from the countries that surround Cyprus.

Arabs with shoes !!

Who would want to be associated with that lying lazy race of scumbags anyway ?

Arabs that don't speak Arabic? What a fool you are boy...

[non-cypriot]

The Brits have always known Cyprus is Greek. For example, they referred to returning Cyprus to Greece.

1."I believe each of the ten measures I propose, including the return of Cyprus to Greece will at some stage become a matter of necessity."

(They proposed measures as to how to go about this. Under the heading:)

2. " 10. The return of Cyprus to Greece."

3. "I would strongly advocate that consideration be given to the very early cession of Cyprus to Greece."

(Letter to Bevin; Francis Noel-Baker, MP. 1945)


When they wanted to start the Cyprus problem (1960), they brought in Turkey. So when they wanted to end the Cyprus problem (by 1964) they knew the most viable solution was to remove Turkey and resettle unhappy Turkish Cypriots off to Turkey. Sounds viable to me!

Sounds like ethical cleansing to me...

I agree it sounds highly ethical to resettle those unhappy TCs who have inadvertently found themselves on a Greek island!

You caught me out in a typo. Good for you! You are bound to catch me again as i have never been to an English school before. Now what Greek Island are you Talking about? Satorini? Paros? or is it Corfu?

You are a very confused Turk. Typo? No such thing according to Freud. Admit it, the most viable solution (according to the British) is for the disaffected TCs to resettle in Turkey. Why would they want to be just 80 Km south of Turkey, with all the trouble that entails, when they can be in Turkey safe and sound and living up to their own ideology?

Go on .... make a leap of faith !

Me a Turk! You'v made my Day Not so long ago, a Radical Hitler wannabe TC just like yourself said i was i confused Greek. And guess what? He sounded just like you. With the exception that he kindly advised me that if i ever set my feet in occupied Cyprus, i would be sent back to my native Portugal in a pine box.
Now tell me, is it ok for me to visit the free part of the REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS (not a greek or Turkish island) without ending up a customer of the local undertaker...?

The solution is letting Cypriots get on with it! Without the meddling of Greeks,Turks,yanks,Brits,Martians or far right radicals.

[non-cypriot]

Well, if that was Mr Mtorshead's view back in 1964, then he should have focused in resettling the loyalist Irish (who decent from settlers) somewhere in the UK, and passed on Northern Ireland back to the Republic of Ireland... Cyprus is not the only nation in the world who's population consist in different ethnic backgrounds. Ultimately, no non cypriot out there with two fingers of general knowledge perceives Cyprus as Greek or Turkish. It is seen as a sovereign nation with its own identity. Its citizens (the legal one's) regardless the background are widely understood to be Cypriots. In my view, the only viable solution would be to get rid of the 1974 invaders and their settlers, so that the citizens could then democratically decide the nations path, not as Greeks,turks,Armenians or Maronites, But as equal CYPRIOTS.

AMEN

But now try convince the TC's of this, the British with their devissive tactics, the international community who don't care about Cypriots

You are right. Cyprus has been severely neglected and its people used to serve the western powers purposes. However for any political solution to be successful , the two communities must heal wounds and stop being at odds... Allow me to give a simple example in the perspective of an outsider. I have been to gatherings where there were Turks and Tc's. Totally different people from each other, even though they spoke the same language. On other occasions where there were Tc's and Gc's, gathered together, i saw the same people, with similar traditions... That tells me that the Cypriot identity is strong, and the scum that has divided you has failed to break that.
Getting rid of the occupiers depends greatly on the Tc's starting a proactive revaluation in the north, But it will never work if there isn't full support from the gc's.
One thing i'm convinced about. Not the EU,UN or any other international pressure is going to persuade the turks to let go... Its down to the Cypriots to get together and get the job done.

[GreekIslandGirl]

You are a very confused Turk. Typo? No such thing according to Freud. Admit it, the most viable solution (according to the British) is for the disaffected TCs to resettle in Turkey. Why would they want to be just 80 Km south of Turkey, with all the trouble that entails, when they can be in Turkey safe and sound and living up to their own ideology?

Go on .... make a leap of faith !

Me a Turk! You'v made my Day Not so long ago, a Radical Hitler wannabe TC just like yourself said i was i confused Greek. And guess what? He sounded just like you. With the exception that he kindly advised me that if i ever set my feet in occupied Cyprus, i would be sent back to my native Portugal in a pine box.
Now tell me, is it ok for me to visit the free part of the REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS (not a greek or Turkish island) without ending up a customer of the local undertaker...?

The solution is letting Cypriots get on with it! Without the meddling of Greeks,Turks,yanks,Brits,Martians or far right radicals.

Well, I said 'confused' - But don't also confuse the being Cypriot with more than acquiring a nationality. If you fulfill the legal requirements, you are/become Cypriot. Of course it's the GCs aiming for equality among Cypriots which has contributed to a Cyprus problem because of the opposition enacted by the rogue elements given more rights in the 1960 constitution. Since the TCs refused the offer of equality, the British finally acknowledged that this was not a viable constitution and suggested the 'resettlement' back to Turkey of those opposing the moves to equality among Cypriots. Notice the British view of 'resettling' - suggesting the Turkish Cypriots were not considered native to Cyprus. No longer fulfilling the legal requirements of being Cypriot, perhaps.

The meddling began long before and is finally admitted. But, why did the British Ministry of Defence go one step further; to offer active and financial assistance to help with this resettling?

[PC Bubble]

GIG/ Oracle.

So you want to send everyone back to where they came from ? Very caring.

Maybe Britain should kick out a few thousand sponging ungrateful GCs from UK ? Australia, USA , Canada etc etc. should follow suit.

You could finish up back in Egypt or some other Arab sh-t hole that you originate from !