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Look you people hate us so much that dont you think you would abolish these services today if you werent reaping benefits far far greater. Go ahead stop them if you can.

VP,

it's quite interesting to note that in this instance, despite what some citizens of the RoC think should happen, the safeguards that the TCs seek by and large already exist in RoC and EU law.

The RoC cannot deny medical care to any one individual RoC passport holder based on their ethnicity and this only serves to show that the safeguards the TCs seek are one of the many artificial barriers they put infront of any solution. This is because this is 2012 and not the 1950s/60s and they already exist.

I think that there's more chance of Turkey denying TCs medical treatment in the free areas as they may order your leaders to close off the crossings during the EU presidency.

The majority of TCs have not been effected by the opening of the crossings so they are indifferent to its closure life would continue as it did before, for me it would make absolutely no difference but isnt that your intention to promote the south to a degree that we cannot survive without it but the opposite is in fact the case.

If the "RoC" cannot deny its passport holders services based on their ethnic background then why do your stupid moronic sick contingent keep harping on about it and threaten to bring the services which a large portion of users contributed by paying taxes back in the 1960 to 1974.

You claim that 2012 is so different from 1963 1974 and the being in the EU all our rights would be protected, the theoretic side its checks all the boxes buts its not the rules themselves that are important its the way they are applied and by whom, without trust nothing will progress add to this the examples of this island is Greek and Tcs should be sent back to Turkey and we have not progressed one inch in fact in my opinion we are further away from a solution than we have ever been.

[Me Ed]

Look you people hate us so much that dont you think you would abolish these services today if you werent reaping benefits far far greater. Go ahead stop them if you can.

VP,

it's quite interesting to note that in this instance, despite what some citizens of the RoC think should happen, the safeguards that the TCs seek by and large already exist in RoC and EU law.

The RoC cannot deny medical care to any one individual RoC passport holder based on their ethnicity and this only serves to show that the safeguards the TCs seek are one of the many artificial barriers they put infront of any solution. This is because this is 2012 and not the 1950s/60s and they already exist.

I think that there's more chance of Turkey denying TCs medical treatment in the free areas as they may order your leaders to close off the crossings during the EU presidency.

The majority of TCs have not been effected by the opening of the crossings so they are indifferent to its closure life would continue as it did before, for me it would make absolutely no difference but isnt that your intention to promote the south to a degree that we cannot survive without it but the opposite is in fact the case.

If the "RoC" cannot deny its passport holders services based on their ethnic background then why do your stupid moronic sick contingent keep harping on about it and threaten to bring the services which a large portion of users contributed by paying taxes back in the 1960 to 1974.

You claim that 2012 is so different from 1963 1974 and the being in the EU all our rights would be protected, the theoretic side its checks all the boxes buts its not the rules themselves that are important its the way they are applied and by whom, without trust nothing will progress add to this the examples of this island is Greek and Tcs should be sent back to Turkey and we have not progressed one inch in fact in my opinion we are further away from a solution than we have ever been.

Well VP,

I'm sure you, for one, would like to see the crossing closed, but I'm not sure if it's actually true that it would make no difference to the TCs in the north and only an opinion poll will sort that one out.

However, the reason that some people keep harping on about it is because it smacks of hypocrisy on your side and because you keep harping on about safeguards that in one form or another, already exist and have been proven to exist, particularly in the case of passports and medical care.

[Viewpoint]

I did say most are indifferent and gave my personal view as I am assure I am allowed this right.

These services are made available because they are forced to provide them as their claim is that they represent all Cypriots as they claim (falsely) sole representation of the whole island. If you believe that your current EU system is sufficient to safeguard our rights (which is not exactly right eg Security) then why the objection to having them reconfirmed in a solution surely with a short time frame they would become irrelevant and redundant, your objections only fuel mistrust and the fear that the current rules when applied island wide could easily be manipulated to the benefit of GCs.

[Me Ed]

I did say most are indifferent and gave my personal view as I am assure I am allowed this right.

These services are made available because they are forced to provide them as their claim is that they represent all Cypriots as they claim (falsely) sole representation of the whole island. If you believe that your current EU system is sufficient to safeguard our rights (which is not exactly right eg Security) then why the objection to having them reconfirmed in a solution surely with a short time frame they would become irrelevant and redundant, your objections only fuel mistrust and the fear that the current rules when applied island wide could easily be manipulated to the benefit of GCs.

VP, I take your points and would agree that particularly when it comes to public sector jobs, there should be some safeguards to ensure that TCs get the fair share of the posts and positions, as nepotism is a real problem in the RoC.

This particular safeguard should come in the form of a South Africa style affirmatitive action, and should, like in South Africa, be viewed as a positive step, rather than the negative spin like the Turks and others put on most things when it comes to our differences.

Keeping in mind that this is 2012, can you give me any aspect of everyday life, where a TCs would be at a disadvantage, and where safeguards do not exist in RoC or wider EU law, and can be manipulated to the benefit of the GCs?

Can you also give me an example where the GCs, since joining the EU, have used their majority to the disadvantage of any other group within the free areas of Cyprus?

Please be specific as I am struggling.

[Viewpoint]

The likelihood of discrimination against the TCs will run riot, in a unitary state how will you use EU law to stop this? If we take an everyday example say two candidates apply for a job with a GC company one a TC the other a GC, qualifications are exactly the same but the board is made up of GCs who do you think they will choose? Another example a TC lady has her bag stolen and she reports this to GC police, she is ignored and told to go home, she goes to complain but the police stick together and ignore her pleas for her rights.

We would have to ask the minorities in the south about how they are treated by the GCs, I cannot answer this but I they have accepted becoming just another minority we would never accept this as we see our selves as equal partners, our numbers maybe less than yours but that makes us no less a partner.

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The likelihood of discrimination against the TCs will run riot, in a unitary state how will you use EU law to stop this? If we take an everyday example say two candidates apply for a job with a GC company one a TC the other a GC, qualifications are exactly the same but the board is made up of GCs who do you think they will choose? Another example a TC lady has her bag stolen and she reports this to GC police, she is ignored and told to go home, she goes to complain but the police stick together and ignore her pleas for her rights.

We would have to ask the minorities in the south about how they are treated by the GCs, I cannot answer this but I they have accepted becoming just another minority we would never accept this as we see our selves as equal partners, our numbers maybe less than yours but that makes us no less a partner.

Absolute full of shit. Those examples are already active in any country in the world, your hate for the GCs just blinds you. I used to have 2 TCs working for me as well as others nationalities and GCs when I was in Nicosia, and I didn't stand for lateness in the morning, but I cut the TCs some slack as they used to come from the north. This is living proof, regardless of being labelled amongst other things a fascist by certain people here.

[Viewpoint]

The likelihood of discrimination against the TCs will run riot, in a unitary state how will you use EU law to stop this? If we take an everyday example say two candidates apply for a job with a GC company one a TC the other a GC, qualifications are exactly the same but the board is made up of GCs who do you think they will choose? Another example a TC lady has her bag stolen and she reports this to GC police, she is ignored and told to go home, she goes to complain but the police stick together and ignore her pleas for her rights.

We would have to ask the minorities in the south about how they are treated by the GCs, I cannot answer this but I they have accepted becoming just another minority we would never accept this as we see our selves as equal partners, our numbers maybe less than yours but that makes us no less a partner.

Absolute full of shit. Those examples are already active in any country in the world, your hate for the GCs just blinds you. I used to have 2 TCs working for me as well as others nationalities and GCs when I was in Nicosia, and I didn't stand for lateness in the morning, but I cut the TCs some slack as they used to come from the north. This is living proof, regardless of being labelled amongst other things a fascist by certain people here.

You talk absolute crap as you have no answers just bullshit and you are not only a fascist but also a racist.

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The likelihood of discrimination against the TCs will run riot, in a unitary state how will you use EU law to stop this? If we take an everyday example say two candidates apply for a job with a GC company one a TC the other a GC, qualifications are exactly the same but the board is made up of GCs who do you think they will choose? Another example a TC lady has her bag stolen and she reports this to GC police, she is ignored and told to go home, she goes to complain but the police stick together and ignore her pleas for her rights.

We would have to ask the minorities in the south about how they are treated by the GCs, I cannot answer this but I they have accepted becoming just another minority we would never accept this as we see our selves as equal partners, our numbers maybe less than yours but that makes us no less a partner.

Absolute full of shit. Those examples are already active in any country in the world, your hate for the GCs just blinds you. I used to have 2 TCs working for me as well as others nationalities and GCs when I was in Nicosia, and I didn't stand for lateness in the morning, but I cut the TCs some slack as they used to come from the north. This is living proof, regardless of being labelled amongst other things a fascist by certain people here.

You talk absolute crap as you have no answers just bullshit and you are not only a fascist but also a racist.

Thats because there are no answers you stupid piece of shit. Your propoganda just doesn't wash here, go back to mama and train some more.

You are the racist fascist not I. You are the one who doesn't want Greek spoken around his/her children and you call me racist, ha fucking ha. Moron.

[Viewpoint]

The likelihood of discrimination against the TCs will run riot, in a unitary state how will you use EU law to stop this? If we take an everyday example say two candidates apply for a job with a GC company one a TC the other a GC, qualifications are exactly the same but the board is made up of GCs who do you think they will choose? Another example a TC lady has her bag stolen and she reports this to GC police, she is ignored and told to go home, she goes to complain but the police stick together and ignore her pleas for her rights.

We would have to ask the minorities in the south about how they are treated by the GCs, I cannot answer this but I they have accepted becoming just another minority we would never accept this as we see our selves as equal partners, our numbers maybe less than yours but that makes us no less a partner.

Absolute full of shit. Those examples are already active in any country in the world, your hate for the GCs just blinds you. I used to have 2 TCs working for me as well as others nationalities and GCs when I was in Nicosia, and I didn't stand for lateness in the morning, but I cut the TCs some slack as they used to come from the north. This is living proof, regardless of being labelled amongst other things a fascist by certain people here.

You talk absolute crap as you have no answers just bullshit and you are not only a fascist but also a racist.

Thats because there are no answers you stupid piece of shit. Your propoganda just doesn't wash here, go back to mama and train some more.

You are the racist fascist not I. You are the one who doesn't want Greek spoken around his/her children and you call me racist, ha fucking ha. Moron.

If the moderators do not do the their job I will respond with the same insulting and rude manner. This thing should be stopped.

[humanist]

B52 I also disagree with VP and their views and I also believe they lack integrity. However, I don't thing is useful calling them the personal names you have been calling them over the past couple of weeks. Please lets all try to avoid this name calling

cheers