Cyprus-Forum.com

by **Panicos UK** » Fri May 11, 2012 1:38 pm

Again, some fierce debate on this issue. The research I carried out for my MA dissertation was pretty conclusive in that the TC leadership did eventually agree on these points but that Makarios was not satisfied as he wasn't prepared to grant the Turkish Cypriot community local government. Again, I'm interested to see what people think on this issue.

by **CBBB** » Fri May 11, 2012 1:46 pm

Panicos UK wrote:Again, some fierce debate on this issue. The research I carried out for my MA dissertation was pretty conclusive in that the TC leadership did eventually agree on these points but that Makarios was not satisfied as he wasn't prepared to grant the Turkish Cypriot community local government. Again, I'm interested to see what people think on this issue.

What are your thoughts on the matter Osman?

by **Panicos UK** » Fri May 11, 2012 1:50 pm

I thought that they did... Suleiyman

by **Panicos UK** » Fri May 11, 2012 2:00 pm

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/Clerides ... 20'71.html

Don't know how reliable this site is. Couldn't find anything on the RoC PIO website.

by **Lordo** » Fri May 11, 2012 3:16 pm

Dengtash accpted the 13 points. Clerides accepted them and Makarios vetoed the agreement because it excluded Enosis.

by **boulio** » Fri May 11, 2012 3:40 pm

absolutly false lordo that makarios wanted enosis in 1972 with the junta youve mixed up your propoganda dates.

by **Lordo** » Fri May 11, 2012 3:42 pm

boulio wrote:absolutly false lordo that makarios wanted enosis in 1972 with the junta youve mixed up your propoganda dates.

Look into it, what was it he said as he refused it?

I signed one agreement which excluded Enosis I will not sign another.

There is no wires crossed here my friend.

If the agreement included all 13 amendments, why refuse it after Clerides recommended it?

by **Sotos** » Fri May 11, 2012 3:43 pm

Panicos UK wrote:Again, some fierce debate on this issue. The research I carried out for my MA dissertation was pretty conclusive in that the TC leadership did eventually agree on these points but that Makarios was not satisfied as he wasn't prepared to grant the Turkish Cypriot community local government. Again, I'm interested to see what people think on this issue.

Osman, I don't remember any of the 13 points being about "Turkish Cypriot community local government" and I don't remember the TC minority ever accepting the 13 points. Your link is just a letter with the personal views of Denktash who says that nothing in it is binding... and then there is whole page of conditions and demands! Just of one of the usual tactics of Denktash... make demands without binding himself on anything and then come back to ask for more. We've seen this a million times.

by **Sotos** » Fri May 11, 2012 3:45 pm

I signed one agreement which excluded Enosis I will not sign another.

Why should 2 agreements be made about the same thing? :roll:

Makarios proposed 13 points. If TCs accepted those 13 points then only those points would change. Did he ask anything to change about enosis in any of the 13 points? NO!

by **GreekIslandGirl** » Fri May 11, 2012 3:46 pm

Sotos wrote:
Panicos UK wrote:Again, some fierce debate on this issue. The research I carried out for my MA dissertation was pretty conclusive in that the TC leadership did eventually agree on these points but that Makarios was not satisfied as he wasn't prepared to grant the Turkish Cypriot community local government. Again, I'm interested to see what people think on this issue.

Osman, I don't remember any of the 13 points being about "Turkish Cypriot community local government" and I don't remember the TC minority ever accepting the 13 points. Your link is just a letter with the personal views of Denktash who says that nothing in it is binding... and then there is whole page of conditions and demands! Just of one of the usual tactics of Denktash... make demands without binding himself on anything and then come back to ask for more. We've seen this a million times.

Absolutely correct, Sotos. No one has provided any evidence to support these claims.