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[repulsewarrior]

...or bury the past because it was all wrong, by choosing to defend the Rights we have in a manner which is Universal, so perfect, if you will, that it may be emulated.

...Cyprus is not "Greek" not "Turk", (nor British) needing protection by them, we are Individuals as Cypriots needing protection from "them".

...we as Cypriots, on the other hand, need to demonstrate a way of living that integrates our desire to be Persons, as well as Individuals; this is Bicommunal.

[Me Ed]

I would go even further and point out that Turkey has created problems that didn't exist before 1974.

The importation of settlers
The sale of GC land and property
Giving TCs exchange land.

... but to name but a few.

[Me Ed]

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[kimon07]

But the fact of the matter is that Turkey did not take any action to restablish the state of affairs created by the treaties but instead (and in particular after August 17th 1974) took steps to actively occupy 37% of the Island and partition it, in gross violation of their own treaty obligations. I would say that was Turkey's aim from well before July 1974. and I think one former senior politician made it quite clear that the Kibrilisi were of little importance to Turkey in regard to any planned Turkish invasion to prevent Enosis.

We have still not resolved the problems of the past thats why Turkey will and should remain.

I would go further and say that we still have not agreed on historical events yet. Until this is done (or efforts are made to do this) we can't move forward. It's impossible.

What are we talking about here? Clarify the past and historical facts first and all that in order to reach a solution? What about the standing UN resolutions? Is it or isn't it a historical fact that the situation was corrected as soon as the junta in Greece and in Nicosia collapsed?

[kimon07]

But the fact of the matter is that Turkey did not take any action to restablish the state of affairs created by the treaties but instead (and in particular after August 17th 1974) took steps to actively occupy 37% of the Island and partition it, in gross violation of their own treaty obligations. I would say that was Turkey's aim from well before July 1974. and I think one former senior politician made it quite clear that the Kibrilisi were of little importance to Turkey in regard to any planned Turkish invasion to prevent Enosis.

Goes back to at least the early 50s if we want to examine only the period after WW2 and it became clear in 1955 (the taksim movement, the riots of Constantinople, the intercommunal conflicts since 1957, the Green Line, the concentration of the TCs into the enclaves, the massive importation of weapons from Turkey since 1957 (estimated 10.000 including heavy machine guns, mortars and anti armour weapons to be in the hands of TMT by 1963, against not more than 700 of the GC side, which came from the disarmament of EOKA and consisted mainly of rifles and sub machine guns).

[Panicos UK]

But the fact of the matter is that Turkey did not take any action to restablish the state of affairs created by the treaties but instead (and in particular after August 17th 1974) took steps to actively occupy 37% of the Island and partition it, in gross violation of their own treaty obligations. I would say that was Turkey's aim from well before July 1974. and I think one former senior politician made it quite clear that the Kibrilisi were of little importance to Turkey in regard to any planned Turkish invasion to prevent Enosis.

We have still not resolved the problems of the past thats why Turkey will and should remain.

I would go further and say that we still have not agreed on historical events yet. Until this is done (or efforts are made to do this) we can't move forward. It's impossible.

What are we talking about here? Clarify the past and historical facts first and all that in order to reach a solution? What about the standing UN resolutions? Is it or isn't it a historical fact that the situation was corrected as soon as the junta in Greece and in Nicosia collapsed?

I don't know about VP, but I'm talking about a common interpretation of history. Do you not see the value in this?