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[Panicos UK]

You have a point here Bill. I suppose the reason there wasn't a formal protest or moves to cancel the Treaty was that the RoC still thought the Treaty could be used as form of defence - obviously it didn't turn out that way.

And additionally, if you go through the provisions of the treaty in the book "the Bloody Truth...." you will see that it did not allow unilateral intervention of any guarantor, plus, any intervention would have to have the prior approval of the UN. So, the RoC saw the treaty as a safeguard against a turkish unilateral intervention which the RoC knew since long (1957) that it was being prepared. What the RoC appears not to have known is that the preparations were made with the advise and the assistance of Britain as proved by the facts of the book above.

and the USA. Have you read 'The Cyprus Conspiracy' by Brendan O'Malley and Ian Craig? Scary stuff.

[kimon07]

Have you read 'The Cyprus Conspiracy' by Brendan O'Malley and Ian Craig? Scary stuff.

Yes. But their conclusion is that there was NO conspiracy. Or am I wrong? I will go to it again some time soon.

[Panicos UK]

Have you read 'The Cyprus Conspiracy' by Brendan O'Malley and Ian Craig? Scary stuff.

Yes. But their conclusion is that there was NO conspiracy. Or am I wrong? I will go to it again some time soon.

As I understand the book, their conclusion was that the CIA instructed Greece to topple Makarios saying that Turkey would not intervene if he was removed from power. They encouraged the Turkish Cypriots to make ever increasing demands at Geneva and they stopped the UK from getting involved militarily. They refer to the way that no preparations were made to repel the first Turkish landings and how the coup leaders acted as if they didn't know the invasion was coming. I haven't read the book for a few years but had a quick look today.

[kimon07]

Have you read 'The Cyprus Conspiracy' by Brendan O'Malley and Ian Craig? Scary stuff.

Yes. But their conclusion is that there was NO conspiracy. Or am I wrong? I will go to it again some time soon.

As I understand the book, their conclusion was that the CIA instructed Greece to topple Makarios saying that Turkey would not intervene if he was removed from power. They encouraged the Turkish Cypriots to make ever increasing demands at Geneva and they stopped the UK from getting involved militarily. They refer to the way that no preparations were made to repel the first Turkish landings and how the coup leaders acted as if they didn't know the invasion was coming. I haven't read the book for a few years but had a quick look today.

Yes. All the facts in their book prove the "conspiraacy" but they conclude against it. I will find it and post it.

[GreekIslandGirl]

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Some reasons why the ToG was not in effect in 1974:


1. Henry Steel, FCO writing to Southern European Department, 10th February 1971:

"Cyprus validity of 1960 Agreements.

... Since the constitutional breakdown of 1963 and the intervention of the UN in 1964, the Cyprus Government have taken the line that the Treaty of Guarantee is no longer valid ... "



2. Philip Rogers, Deputy Secretary of the Cabinet Office, 4th January 1966

" (b) the United Kingdom would have no commitments to Cyprus in respect of the defence of Cyprus"



2. Alan Goodison, Head of Western European department, 1973

" ... The Cyprus Constitution ceased to work properly at the end of 1963. The factual situation in Cyprus has for a number of years been out of accord with the constitution but we have not seen advantage in taking "action with the sole aim of our establishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty (of Guarantee) ..."



~ Therefore, Turkey was neither legitimately nor politically correct to invade - under any pretext!

[MR-from-NG]

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Some reasons why the ToG was not in effect in 1974:


1. Henry Steel, FCO writing to Southern European Department, 10th February 1971:

"Cyprus validity of 1960 Agreements.

... Since the constitutional breakdown of 1963 and the intervention of the UN in 1964, the Cyprus Government have taken the line that the Treaty of Guarantee is no longer valid ... "



2. Philip Rogers, Deputy Secretary of the Cabinet Office, 4th January 1966

" (b) the United Kingdom would have no commitments to Cyprus in respect of the defence of Cyprus"



2. Alan Goodison, Head of Western European department, 1973

" ... The Cyprus Constitution ceased to work properly at the end of 1963. The factual situation in Cyprus has for a number of years been out of accord with the constitution but we have not seen advantage in taking "action with the sole aim of our establishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty (of Guarantee) ..."



~ Therefore, Turkey was neither legitimately nor politically correct to invade - under any pretext!

How about morally? Should Turkey have just stood by while the TC's were exterminated?

[GreekIslandGirl]

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Some reasons why the ToG was not in effect in 1974:


1. Henry Steel, FCO writing to Southern European Department, 10th February 1971:

"Cyprus validity of 1960 Agreements.

... Since the constitutional breakdown of 1963 and the intervention of the UN in 1964, the Cyprus Government have taken the line that the Treaty of Guarantee is no longer valid ... "



2. Philip Rogers, Deputy Secretary of the Cabinet Office, 4th January 1966

" (b) the United Kingdom would have no commitments to Cyprus in respect of the defence of Cyprus"



2. Alan Goodison, Head of Western European department, 1973

" ... The Cyprus Constitution ceased to work properly at the end of 1963. The factual situation in Cyprus has for a number of years been out of accord with the constitution but we have not seen advantage in taking "action with the sole aim of our establishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty (of Guarantee) ..."



~ Therefore, Turkey was neither legitimately nor politically correct to invade - under any pretext!

How about morally? Should Turkey have just stood by while the TC's were exterminated?

But you already know that not a single TC was harmed.

- And if Turkey was truly concerned about the TCs, the moral obligation would have been to remove them all to the "safety" of Turkey.

[kimon07]

How about morally? Should Turkey have just stood by while the TC's were exterminated?

Oh boy. here we go again. Remember I warned you all they would come back on the same myth with a new alias? Eh Bill?

Loog Mr. Better visit the thread below, first, look intyo the links and then come back again. Will you please? Thanks.
cyprus37669-50.html

[MR-from-NG]

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Some reasons why the ToG was not in effect in 1974:


1. Henry Steel, FCO writing to Southern European Department, 10th February 1971:

"Cyprus validity of 1960 Agreements.

... Since the constitutional breakdown of 1963 and the intervention of the UN in 1964, the Cyprus Government have taken the line that the Treaty of Guarantee is no longer valid ... "



2. Philip Rogers, Deputy Secretary of the Cabinet Office, 4th January 1966

" (b) the United Kingdom would have no commitments to Cyprus in respect of the defence of Cyprus"



2. Alan Goodison, Head of Western European department, 1973

" ... The Cyprus Constitution ceased to work properly at the end of 1963. The factual situation in Cyprus has for a number of years been out of accord with the constitution but we have not seen advantage in taking "action with the sole aim of our establishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty (of Guarantee) ..."



~ Therefore, Turkey was neither legitimately nor politically correct to invade - under any pretext!

How about morally? Should Turkey have just stood by while the TC's were exterminated?

But you already know that not a single TC was harmed.

- And if Turkey was truly concerned about the TCs, the moral obligation would have been to remove them all to the "safety" of Turkey.

It would have made more sense to kick all your asses back to Greece so that us TC's could live in our country in peace, without the fear of being ethnically cleansed by barbaric Greeks.

[kimon07]

It would have made more sense to kick all your asses back to Greece so that us TC's could live in our country in peace, without the fear of being ethnically cleansed by barbaric Greeks.

In the meantime, you can stay where you are and be ethnically cleansed by your Mongol Anatolian cousins.