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[Viewpoint]

If this forum is anything to go by the last few weeks have seen a great decrease in the number and quality of posts. Is this due to the lack of will to find a solution, have even slipped even further down the dark tunnel of status quo.
Or can we attribute this lack of interest to the current developments in the EU?? and is the Cyprus issuing now being put in the fridge for next 20 years??

What does everyone think, where are we going? are we on a route to nowhere?

[Kifeas]

If this forum is anything to go by the last few weeks have seen a great decrease in the number and quality of posts. Is this due to the lack of will to find a solution, have even slipped even further down the dark tunnel of status quo.
Or can we attribute this lack of interest to the current developments in the EU?? and is the Cyprus issuing now being put in the fridge for next 20 years??

What does everyone think, where are we going? are we on a route to nowhere?

Viewpoint,
If you happen to meet Talat any time soon, tell him to live aside all the nonsense and the pompous interviews in the Turkish media and concentrate in preparing himself, his aides and the TC public opinion for a compromise because you got way too much in this A-plan, then go and talk to those mandarins in Turkey and tell them that the era of the ottoman empire is over and that they have to get serious about solving the Cyprus problem on the basis of it’s own merits, before it will become too late and your side looses both the eggs and the basket, and finally go and inform Annan himself that he is ready to enter into serious negotiations with the aim of finding a compromised and fair for both sides solution with the GC side, away from the sphere of Anglo-American and Turkish megalomaniac interests.

If Talat does all the above and yet Papadopoullos is still dragging his feet, then rest sure that the GCs will sort him out quickly. Nevertheless, in two years we will have presidential elections and if Papadopoullos refuses to negotiate in good faith, as your side claims, then he will see the door. However, do not expect the GCs to blame Papadopoullos if Talat and Turkey do not change their attitude along the above lines but instead, they will continue to remain entrenched behind the A-plan and it’s approval in the referendum.

[Viewpoint]

If this forum is anything to go by the last few weeks have seen a great decrease in the number and quality of posts. Is this due to the lack of will to find a solution, have even slipped even further down the dark tunnel of status quo.
Or can we attribute this lack of interest to the current developments in the EU?? and is the Cyprus issuing now being put in the fridge for next 20 years??

What does everyone think, where are we going? are we on a route to nowhere?

Viewpoint,
If you happen to meet Talat any time soon, tell him to live aside all the nonsense and the pompous interviews in the Turkish media and concentrate in preparing himself, his aides and the TC public opinion for a compromise because you got way too much in this A-plan, then go and talk to those mandarins in Turkey and tell them that the era of the ottoman empire is over and that they have to get serious about solving the Cyprus problem on the basis of it’s own merits, before it will become too late and your side looses both the eggs and the basket, and finally go and inform Annan himself that he is ready to enter into serious negotiations with the aim of finding a compromised and fair for both sides solution with the GC side, away from the sphere of Anglo-American and Turkish megalomaniac interests.

If Talat does all the above and yet Papadopoullos is still dragging his feet, then rest sure that the GCs will sort him out quickly. Nevertheless, in two years we will have presidential elections and if Papadopoullos refuses to negotiate in good faith, as your side claims, then he will see the door. However, do not expect the GCs to blame Papadopoullos if Talat and Turkey do not change their attitude along the above lines but instead, they will continue to remain entrenched behind the A-plan and it’s approval in the referendum.

Very interesting!

We have to do all that to prove that we want a solution and reconfirm Tassos's intransigency, he has fooled you to date whats to stop him the future, he may faint on TV or go into hospital and the GC people will forgive him, he knows very well how to manipulate his people.
Both TCs and Turkey have stated time and time again they are willing to go back to the negotiating table and Talats must have a terrible arm ache its still held out in the hope that Tassos will agree to meet.

Surely Kifeas seeing that GCs rejected the Plan shouldnt your leadership being doing more to get the 2 sides back to the table?? its clearly not the priority. Although I am not happy with my leadership I sincerely feel that GC have to do more to prove they are genuine in their desire for a comprehensive solution. All we can see right now is EU leverage on Turkey to recognise the "RoC" to be later imposed on TCs. This imo does not appear to reflect that GCs wanting to compromise it looks like again they want to force TCs to do what they want just like in the past, nothing new there.

PS Ill pass on your message and respects to our leader

[Piratis]

Viewpoint, are you willing to discuss anything on the basis of human rights and one united Cyprus without racist discriminations? Your leadership didn't give me the impression that they are willing to accept these universally accepted principles.

Therefore why should Papadopoulos waste his time? We have been "negotiating" for 30 years. The occupation will end only when it will be for the interests of Turkey to end. And this can only happen if the cost of occupation is much more than any gain for them.

This imo does not appear to reflect that GCs wanting to compromise it looks like again they want to force TCs to do what they want just like in the past, nothing new there.

You are the ones who want to force something illegal and against our human rights. You compromise absolutely nothing, except if you consider as a compromise the slight reduction of your illegal demands.

On the other hand, what we want to "force" is legality and the respect of human rights. RoC actually has the responsibility to enforce these things just like every other country would protect its sovereignty and enforce its laws. If RoC didn't even try to do these things then it would be self-invalidated.

[JustAnAmerican]

Back to the main question of the post: As perceived any discussion of a solution is pretty much dead for now.
It is over forget it; the two groups will never be reunited.

The RoC needs to move on to bigger problems like:
1. An education system that does not allow pupils to “abstain” from class.
2. Funding an expensive National Guard.
3. A public transportation system that is dysfunctional.
4. A commercial stock exchange that is plainly bewildering.

The TRNC needs to:
1. Get the money back for Internet and Phone access paid to Ankara so that they can upgrade their 35-year-old phone switch and phone systems.
2. Create a public transportation system.
3. Move the troops off of historical sites, (Greek, Roman, Assyrian)
4. Tighten up the damn border.

[Alexis]

JustAnAmerican,

Whilst I agree with almost all the points you make, how you cannot see that their resolution would be made that much simpler by the unification of Cyprus is beyond me. For example, the public transport and communications infrastructures' development has for years been hampered by the existence of the Green Line. Similarly the large scale funding of armies has spiralled out of control again due to the Green Line.
A partitioned island serves nobody's interests.

PS: That said, there's no harm beginning work on the projects you say, particularly the public transport issue, Nicosia is now getting ridiculous.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint, are you willing to discuss anything on the basis of human rights and one united Cyprus without racist discriminations? Your leadership didn't give me the impression that they are willing to accept these universally accepted principles.

Therefore why should Papadopoulos waste his time? We have been "negotiating" for 30 years. The occupation will end only when it will be for the interests of Turkey to end. And this can only happen if the cost of occupation is much more than any gain for them.

This imo does not appear to reflect that GCs wanting to compromise it looks like again they want to force TCs to do what they want just like in the past, nothing new there.

You are the ones who want to force something illegal and against our human rights. You compromise absolutely nothing, except if you consider as a compromise the slight reduction of your illegal demands.

On the other hand, what we want to "force" is legality and the respect of human rights. RoC actually has the responsibility to enforce these things just like every other country would protect its sovereignty and enforce its laws. If RoC didn't even try to do these things then it would be self-invalidated.

Piratis, hey you, come down to earth, you are living in cuckoo land, we have a different situation here, if you havent noticed 1974 happened. We are now trying to negotiate a totally new set up of a BBF, if you feel that certain areas eg freedom of movement or property are not up to what you call human rights and international law then surely you should be addressing those concerns not rubbishing the whole deal. You still appear to be stuck in the 1960s, mentality an all. If the Annan plan was so against human rights and international law then why did the UN and EU ratify it as being viable and acceptable?
You still have not come to terms with the idea that you have to build a new unified Cyprus with us, a partnership where we will both feel comfortable safe secure and committed to making it work for the best interests of all Cypriots.

[Main_Source]

Alexis, If I said to you that JUSTanAmerican is a friend of Dentash...what what he says make more sense to you now.

As for removing Turkish Troops off Greek historical sights...well the whole of Cyprus is a Greek historical sight.

[garbitsch]

Alexis, If I said to you that JUSTanAmerican is a friend of Dentash...what what he says make more sense to you now.

As for removing Turkish Troops off Greek historical sights...well the whole of Cyprus is a Greek historical sight.

[Alexis]

Alexis, If I said to you that JUSTanAmerican is a friend of Dentash...what what he says make more sense to you now.

That would explain the pro-partitionist view, but some of what he says does make sense, we should focus on domestic issues as well. I still think, however, that in order to go forward we need to resolve the Cyprus problem to an extent that some of these other issues (such as transport, communications and education) can be dealt with on an island-wide scale.

As for removing Turkish Troops off Greek historical sights...well the whole of Cyprus is a Greek historical sight.

Agreed, there are so many historical sites in Cyprus. I would count all churches, mosques, ancient city sites (like Salamis) and even buildings from the various ages (including the Ottoman rule) as historical sites. As a gesture of goodwill both sides should make efforts to restore old churches, mosques and any ancient sites to their former glory. Again though, unification of the island would almost necessitate this happening anyway.