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[Panicos UK]

Thanks Repulsewarrior. I have been called a traitor, Turk, pro-Turk.. all because I'm interested in the truth. I don't hate anyone, but I hate bullshit!

[Viewpoint]

Your plight is admirable Panicos, its people like you and Bananiot that give us a glimmer of hope.

[kimon07]

Has anyone heard of "newgeneration lately"?

I honestly miss his style of storming the forum with one new topic after the other, all with similar basic content.

[kimon07]

Your plight is admirable Panicos, its people like .......Bananiot that give us a glimmer of hope.

Fully agree with you about him. The hope that some day the whole of Cyprus will become a province of Turkey. But, as you said, a "glimer" of hope...!

[kimon07]

I will take the one forseen by the existing UN resolutions.

[kimon07]

Where did he get the alleged letters from Makarios turning down the offer of Turkey accepting all 13 points? - I really cannot find any such sources!

That is because you have not looked into the the turkish propaganda archives. I am sure VP will be glad to oblige you.

[kimon07]

The uncompromising attitude of Makarios persisted despite the fact that the Turkish Cypriot side had accepted all the 13 points proposed by him in 1963, and even went beyond them.

So, he became uncompromizingly neghative to his own proposals?

Makarios would not yield on the issue of local government despite the fact that the Turkish Cypriots had; abandoned their demand to group Greek and Turkish villages together, accepted that only the House of Representatives would enact legislation on local government matters, and accepted that administrative control would be exercised on behalf of the Government by a Civil Servant. Clerides strongly advised Makarios to accept the Turkish Cypriot proposals but Makarios would not be persuaded.

Turkish Cypriot proposals?? but aren't we talking about the 13 proposals of Makarios here? WHAT Turkish Cypriot proposals are you talking about now?

According to Clerides......

Give us a break will you?

.....the decision of Makarios of 12th December 1972 not to compromise....

Compromise about what? I thought you claim that all his points had been accepted?

.......after the concessions that the Turkish side had made...

Concessions? I though you said "acceptance" of all points? Do you know the meaning of the term "concession"?

Come on newgen. Give it up.

[Panicos UK]

A ray of hope appeared in 1968 when U Thant, the UN Secretary General proposed that inter-communal talks should commence in order to resolve the Cyprus dispute. Osorio Tafall headed the negotiations, and Glafcos Clerides in his capacity as President of the House of Representatives represented the Greek Cypriots. Rauf Denktash in his capacity as President of the Turkish Communal Chamber represented the Turkish Cypriots. During the first phase of the talks which lasted from the 24th June until the 28th August, the Turkish Cypriots made considerable concessions in that they were prepared to accept broad amendments to the Cyprus Constitution. They agreed; to reduce Turkish Cypriot representation in the House of Representatives from 30% to 20%, to abolish the veto powers of the Vice-President, to abolish the need to acquire separate majorities to enact legislation, and to unify the lower courts. The Turkish Cypriots were prepared to make these concessions on condition that they received some local autonomy to administer their own affairs, and that Greek and Turkish villages were grouped together for the purposes of local administration. Makarios however was not content with the concessions and was adamant that Greek and Turkish villages should not be grouped together. On the 8th December 1972, the last round of inter-communal talks was held. On the 12th December, Clerides had a meeting with Makarios. The uncompromising attitude of Makarios persisted despite the fact that the Turkish Cypriot side had accepted all the 13 points proposed by him in 1963, and even went beyond them. Makarios would not yield on the issue of local government despite the fact that the Turkish Cypriots had; abandoned their demand to group Greek and Turkish villages together, accepted that only the House of Representatives would enact legislation on local government matters, and accepted that administrative control would be exercised on behalf of the Government by a Civil Servant. Clerides strongly advised Makarios to accept the Turkish Cypriot proposals but Makarios would not be persuaded. According to Clerides, the decision of Makarios of 12th December 1972 not to compromise, after the concessions that the Turkish side had made, sealed his fate and that of Cyprus. The die was cast and the worst followed.

Tofallis. K. Dr, A History of Cyprus – An Illustrated History (The Greek Institute, 2002) P. 233

I'll let Dr Tofallis know the details of your feedback Kimon07.

[GreekIslandGirl]

The uncompromising attitude of Makarios persisted despite the fact that the Turkish Cypriot side had accepted all the 13 points proposed by him in 1963, and even went beyond them.

So, he became uncompromizingly neghative to his own proposals?

Makarios would not yield on the issue of local government despite the fact that the Turkish Cypriots had; abandoned their demand to group Greek and Turkish villages together, accepted that only the House of Representatives would enact legislation on local government matters, and accepted that administrative control would be exercised on behalf of the Government by a Civil Servant. Clerides strongly advised Makarios to accept the Turkish Cypriot proposals but Makarios would not be persuaded.

Turkish Cypriot proposals?? but aren't we talking about the 13 proposals of Makarios here? WHAT Turkish Cypriot proposals are you talking about now?

According to Clerides......

Give us a break will you?

.....the decision of Makarios of 12th December 1972 not to compromise....

Compromise about what? I thought you claim that all his points had been accepted?

.......after the concessions that the Turkish side had made...

Concessions? I though you said "acceptance" of all points? Do you know the meaning of the term "concession"?

Come on newgen. Give it up.

Excellent demolition job!

[kimon07]

Plus the eventual aim of the 1968-72 intercommunal talks was to get the Turkish Cypriot represenatives back into the governmental structures.

Yes. Under more viable and democratic rules and conditions compared to those of the 1960 constitution, in respect to there monstrous veto rights etc which they abused in order to paralyze the state.