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[Panicos UK]

All three options are incompatible with long-term peace; hence, they are not status quo solutions.

But the RoC is what the Greek Cypriots hide behind. We can't have it both ways. If we are for the RoC then we have to stick to the 1960 constitution which means full participation by the Turkish Cypriots, Turkish Cypriot MP's, Turkish Cypriot Vice President etc. Get them back in the fold and we can sort out differences along the way. The question is what would happen if 35 or so Turkish Cypriots got voted back into the House of Representatives with a Turkish Cypriot Vice President? It would make for a very interesting dynamic, especially if all the candidates were seperate to the TRNC representatives. They would probably start attacking the puppet regime. The political capital would far outweigh any temporary instability caused by the re-integration. The Greek Cypriots don't like being labelled the 'Greek Cypriot Government', but this is the de facto state of affairs and in one way or another this needs to be addressed. Rather than negotiating on the puppet regime's terms we should put the ball back in their court.

[Me Ed]

Panicos,

The label 'Greek Cypriot Govenment' is only used by Turkey and sometimes in the context of the Cyprus problem by other commentators and even then they are sometimes called the 'Greek Cypriot Leadership'.

In all other respects, the 'Government of the RoC', as the only recognised Goverment on the island, is used at all times.

For example, I've never heard the RoC's Government being referred to, in it's official capacity, as the 'Greek Cypriot Government' within the EU or on official state business, and the impending EU presidency is never referred to in terms of the Greek Cypriot Government, unless the commentator has an agenda.

[Sotos]

But the RoC is what the Greek Cypriots hide behind. We can't have it both ways. If we are for the RoC then we have to stick to the 1960 constitution which means full participation by the Turkish Cypriots, Turkish Cypriot MP's, Turkish Cypriot Vice President etc.

... and a unitary state without any "trnc" or any TC state. So where does this fit: "dual role alongside their 'TRNC' roles"? We don't want to have it both ways but you do. And when I say you I mean the Turks ... "Panicos"

[GreekIslandGirl]

All three options are incompatible with long-term peace; hence, they are not status quo solutions.

But the RoC is what the Greek Cypriots hide behind. We can't have it both ways. If we are for the RoC then we have to stick to the 1960 constitution which means full participation by the Turkish Cypriots, Turkish Cypriot MP's, Turkish Cypriot Vice President etc. Get them back in the fold and we can sort out differences along the way. The question is what would happen if 35 or so Turkish Cypriots got voted back into the House of Representatives with a Turkish Cypriot Vice President? It would make for a very interesting dynamic, especially if all the candidates were seperate to the TRNC representatives. They would probably start attacking the puppet regime. The political capital would far outweigh any temporary instability caused by the re-integration. The Greek Cypriots don't like being labelled the 'Greek Cypriot Government', but this is the de facto state of affairs and in one way or another this needs to be addressed. Rather than negotiating on the puppet regime's terms we should put the ball back in their court.

The GCs don't have to "hide" behind anything. They function within the laws and so they can have everything which is legitimately available for all in the RoC. Including taking the whole of Cyprus into the EU. Forget about the 1960 Constitution - even the British wanted to change it before the ink was dry and helped Makarios formulate the 13 point plan. There would have been decent, legal changes which would have democratized the Constitution if the TCs hadn't rushed-off bleating about the loss of their unfair privileges. Turkey further proved the 1960 Constitution was non-functioning by invading and occupying Cyprus.

Eventually the EU will get fed up with the "status quo" and remove Turkey. The TCs can then join what is available in Cyprus or follow the Turks back to Turkey.

[kurupetos]

I vote for Madam GIG.

[Pyrpolizer]

All three options are incompatible with long-term peace; hence, they are not status quo solutions.

But the RoC is what the Greek Cypriots hide behind. We can't have it both ways. If we are for the RoC then we have to stick to the 1960 constitution which means full participation by the Turkish Cypriots, Turkish Cypriot MP's, Turkish Cypriot Vice President etc. Get them back in the fold and we can sort out differences along the way. The question is what would happen if 35 or so Turkish Cypriots got voted back into the House of Representatives with a Turkish Cypriot Vice President? It would make for a very interesting dynamic, especially if all the candidates were seperate to the TRNC representatives. They would probably start attacking the puppet regime. The political capital would far outweigh any temporary instability caused by the re-integration. The Greek Cypriots don't like being labelled the 'Greek Cypriot Government', but this is the de facto state of affairs and in one way or another this needs to be addressed. Rather than negotiating on the puppet regime's terms we should put the ball back in their court.

Interesting thoughts Panikos. We do need people with creative imagination. The CP will never be solved the traditional way. We need to take bold steps and these my come either from the Kypreoi or the Kibrislis or from both. I beleive your proposal is a good one, although difficult to implement. But NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE. Just to give you a recent example Klerides has invited the Kibrislis to participate in our negotiations in joining the EU. Of course Denktash ruled back then, so nothing happened, they didn't join...

[Pyrpolizer]

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[Pyrpolizer]

What about Turkey Pyrpolyser? It simply isn't on, unless we can enforce it, but if we could, we would probably opt for something else. Rather, if we thought we could.

I should have said the only "plausible" way to solve the CP not "possible". The way I see it is that the CP will not be solved with negotiations. It will be solved when Turkey and the EU will have so much dependency on each other that both will want to remove the CP from poisoning their interests. At that time Turkey will say "what can I do ,they have found no solution, how can I leave". Then the EU will say. You are right, but just forget their finding an agreement. "THEY ALREADY HAVE A BINDING AGREEMENT, THE 1960 CONSTITUTION." Let them return to that, and work out any differences they have from there....

[Bananiot]

I see your point and lets hope, therefore, that Hollande will chart a different course regarding the accession of Turkey to the EU than the one of Sarkozi. Still, we mustn't think or hope that the EU will back our positions 100%. More of a 50-50 scenario in my opinion will be considered.

I think Panikos meant that the RoC is our best bet and that we should safeguard it at all costs. This is what he meant by saying that we hide behind it and he is absolutely correct. What I say is that we need to share the RoC with our TC compatriots, as we agreed to do in 1959, as two politically equal communities. There is no other way for us to claim our country back.

[Panicos UK]

But the RoC is what the Greek Cypriots hide behind. We can't have it both ways. If we are for the RoC then we have to stick to the 1960 constitution which means full participation by the Turkish Cypriots, Turkish Cypriot MP's, Turkish Cypriot Vice President etc.

... and a unitary state without any "trnc" or any TC state. So where does this fit: "dual role alongside their 'TRNC' roles"? We don't want to have it both ways but you do. [color=#40BFBF]And when I say you I mean the Turks ... "Panicos"[/color]

Er... My name is Panayiotis Anastasiou. My grandparents are from Maroni, Kalavasos, Morphou and Kythrea.