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[Sotos]

Of course every country has bigots. In the UK, for example, when I was living there, the National Front commanded a fraction of the popular vote. In Cyprus of the 60"s, however, the bigots ruled. They were the government and it is their action that brought Turkey to Cyprus or gave Turkey the pretext, if you wish. I hope you see the difference, for identifying correctly a problem gets you half way to dealing with it. I did not say solve it, for in politics there are no solutions but options.

No I don't see the difference. Why those who ruled Cyprus were bigots and those who ruled the UK were not? Tell me what was so different about them. Those who ruled Cyprus in the 60s wanted to rule Cyprus in the same way that the British rule the UK and the French rule France. No difference. Seems like your blind love for the Turks keeps you from identifying correctly the problem. The problem is the Turkish expansionism. Everything else is their excuses which you just mindlessly repeat.

[Pyrpolizer]

Of course every country has bigots. In the UK, for example, when I was living there, the National Front commanded a fraction of the popular vote. In Cyprus of the 60"s, however, the bigots ruled. They were the government and it is their action that brought Turkey to Cyprus or gave Turkey the pretext, if you wish. I hope you see the difference, for identifying correctly a problem gets you half way to dealing with it. I did not say solve it, for in politics there are no solutions but options.

No I don't see the difference. Why those who ruled Cyprus were bigots and those who ruled the UK were not? Tell me what was so different about them. Those who ruled Cyprus in the 60s wanted to rule Cyprus in the same way that the British rule the UK and the French rule France. No difference. Seems like your blind love for the Turks keeps you from identifying correctly the problem. The problem is the Turkish expansionism. Everything else is their excuses which you just mindlessly repeat.

My alter ego used the word "ruled" in it;s meaning "prevailed" The difference Sotos is pretty obvious. The Cypriot Republic was at infant stage, the Cypriots never had the chance to rule themselves for 3-4 centuries, all they knew of leaders was their priests (hence our first president was a priest LOL. Our Minister of exterior Kyprianou and Minister of Interior Papadopoulos were just young Law graduates about your age LOL.... Is it surprising that the bigots in both communities prevailed??The UK is and was a mature democracy from centuries, she passed the bigots age from Medieval times hundreds of years before we did.

@ Bananiot: I agree with what you said regarding the bigots, but you should of have held your sentiments, and not calling everybody a bigot. For Christ sake most people in here are second generation refugees living in the UK and Australia who know nothing mostly...

[Bananiot]

Are you saying they are plain ignorant?

Our leaders were bigots. Makarios and Grivas sworn to unite Cyprus with Greece and all their actions were guided by this aspiration, even when it became obvious that pursuing such goal would meant putting Cyprus to a grave risk. I think the word "bigot" isn't abusive enough for such narrow minded people whose only justification was ignorance. When GC's today still think that such people are heroes, I get the chills.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Why were our leaders "bigots" when all they did was follow the will of the majority? (sweetie)

[Panicos UK]

Why were our leaders "bigots" when all they did was follow the will of the majority? (sweetie)

If the will of the majority is bigoted then surely the leaders would be espousing bigoted views?

[GreekIslandGirl]

Why were our leaders "bigots" when all they did was follow the will of the majority? (sweetie)

If the will of the majority is bigoted then surely the leaders would be espousing bigoted views?

So you too are calling a whole nation "bigoted" because they believe they are Greek?

[supporttheunderdog]

Why were our leaders "bigots" when all they did was follow the will of the majority? (sweetie)

If the will of the majority is bigoted then surely the leaders would be espousing bigoted views?

So you too are calling a whole nation "bigoted" because they believe they are Greek?

What a crass statement: some 20% of the Cypriot nation did not think they were Greek so by dismising them as a part of the Cypriot nation you too label youself as a bigot. It was in my view just that sort of arttitude that contributed so much to the collapse of the 1960 constitution and division of the ROC in 1963 and the tragic events of 19r4

(I would add the Turkish speaking Cypriots also suffered from bigottry with their own involvement in the collapse of the 1960 constitution and division of the ROC in 1963 enforced by the TMT)

[GreekIslandGirl]

stud - shut up, sweetie. Bananiot wasn't referring to TCs as "bigots". Only GCs.

[supporttheunderdog]

stud - shut up, sweetie. Bananiot wasn't referring to TCs as "bigots". Only GCs.

Well now, my Darling, that must make Bananiot a bigot too.

[Piratis]

What a crass statement: some 20% of the Cypriot nation did not think they were Greek so by dismising them as a part of the Cypriot nation you too label youself as a bigot. It was in my view just that sort of arttitude that contributed so much to the collapse of the 1960 constitution and division of the ROC in 1963 and the tragic events of 19r4

There are far more than 20% of Scottish people that do not want Scotland to be part of the UK, and yet it is. There is a talk about a referendum there, and if that happens Scotland would remain part of the UK even if 49% of the Scottish people vote against this. That is how democracy works.

There is nothing bigoted about the people of a territory taking such democratic decisions for their own homeland. On the contrary the bigots are those who show no respect to the democratic choices of the people.

The foreign made and by blackmail imposed 1960 constitution should not have even been created. In the 50s (and even earlier) the Colonialists should have allowed a referendum with one of the options being what the vast majority of Cypriots wanted: Union with the rest of Greece. Rhodes, which also has a Muslim/Turkish minority, united with Greece a few years earlier. Not a single nose broke there and there is no "Rhodes Problem".

So Sotos is right. The Cyprus problem is due to the Turkish expansionism but also due to the Imperialist practices of the British who invited the Turks to get involved in Cyprus so they could create a problem to us and manage in this way to keep parts of our island under Colonial rule.

Everything beyond that is just the lame excuses that the invaders and the imperialists use in order to excuse the enslavement of Cyprus.