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[Piratis]

bananiot, your mates are taking you for a ride. For if they were peaceful people they would have done the right thing, move out of te refugee home, seek assistance from the RoC and build their home on their block of land in the free areas. Unless of course they were originally from the now occupied area of Cyprus.

When do you propose they moved to the free areas? maybe just after the 16 day old baby was shot in the head by your heroes?
Have you tried claiming your land from the RoC? At least in the north you have the IPC you can apply to, what have the TCs got?

Do you mean before Denktash and he Co has fixed the scene or after? Go ask the Kibrisli photographer who was FORDED to shoot the FAQUE pictures, for stupid people like you.

Fake pictures? you mean the graves of Murataga and Atlilar and Sandallilar were not real, or do you mean the picture of the dead children in the bath were not real either.

Stupidity is your trade mark my friend. But I did not realise you were an asshole to boot.

Are you talking about the few 100s of TCs who were killed during the war that Turkey and TCs launched against us in 1974, killing 1000s of GCs and ethnically cleansing 100s of thousands?

The Germans had millions of losses during WWII, many of whom were civilians killed during the air raids. You trying to present yourselves as the victims because you had some casualties in the war you started is the equivalent of the Nazis pretending to be the innocent victims with the "argument" that they had casualties during WWII.

Had you respected the right of the Cypriot people to rule their own island by democratic means then there wouldn't be any such casualties and we would live together with you in peace as equal Cypriots, as we do with all other minorities in Cyprus. Unfortunately you wanted privileges and gains on the expense of every other Cypriot, while also aiming to annihilate the majority of Cypriots from half of their island, and you started a conflict and then a war in order to achieve your criminal and racist aims.

On the topic: The majority of TCs today (not just Gray Wolves) has a Nazi-like altitude, since they believe that it is OK to ethnically cleanse us and take our lands, declare them as their own, violate our human rights and then impose by force racist and undemocratic systems which would benefit them on the expense of every other Cypriot.

[humanist]

Pyrpolizer

OK let's check that choice: Suppose a young Kibrisli about your age and your own proffession-social worker who wants to move to the free areas like you said: Suppose he is from one of the major TC villages say Kofinou. All kibrisli houses there are occupied by refugees.He goes to rent a house for 6 months to claim his own back.Tries for a job nothing. loses his savings on rent and still cannot get his house back. He does part time jobs. Moves his family to the free areas.Nobody knows Greek. All unemployed. No Turkish school for the children....
Easy you said? Yes everything easy.....

Good scenario. I am really good with solving scenarios.

Firstly I would hope that a visionary government would want to extend its society. To this end I would say that in spirit of peace, social and cultural development that RoC would facilitate the introduction of Turkish into every State school from primary up. This will not only benefit Cyprus in the domain I have mentioned above, however enable teachers who currently live and work in the occupied area with opportunity to take positions in the RoC's school system. This not only increases financial opportunities of TC's in the occupied area, it brings people from two different communities together breaking down barriers and fear of the unknown.

Firstly i think if his fathers home is occupied by a GC refugee I believe the refugee needs to be re allocated or offer the TC at this stage to have a house build as per refugee association or department, am not sure what Cyprus have to overlook the refugee situation. Remember this is a stage by stage transition but it can be done I believe. Am making the assumption that this is a person my age. To this end he is in mid forties with a couple of really young children.

If the children are school age I believe the Roc provides tuition in Turkish until we have larger numbers of pupils to warrant employing teachers at different regions.

So here's my take on events and issue. My concern is that if the people don't solve it on their own the politicians will not and I have to admit I think the RoC really shouldn't give on anything. other than support to individuals who want to move back to their homes. We are not allowed to return so it is am afraid up to the TC's if they want to better themselves financially by moving back. Imagine some of the TC villages were wealthy one would be worth millions of Euros.



In many countries around the globe, people travel more than an hour to go to work. So to this my friend can keep his job in the occupied area until a better opportunity in the free areas comes along. This way we get a natural transition of the population in their natural environments.

[humanist]

Pyrpolizer

OK let's check that choice: Suppose a young Kibrisli about your age and your own proffession-social worker who wants to move to the free areas like you said: Suppose he is from one of the major TC villages say Kofinou. All kibrisli houses there are occupied by refugees.He goes to rent a house for 6 months to claim his own back.Tries for a job nothing. loses his savings on rent and still cannot get his house back. He does part time jobs. Moves his family to the free areas.Nobody knows Greek. All unemployed. No Turkish school for the children....
Easy you said? Yes everything easy.....

Good scenario. I am really good with solving scenarios.

Firstly I would hope that a visionary government would want to extend its society. To this end I would say that in spirit of peace, social and cultural development that RoC would facilitate the introduction of Turkish into every State school from primary up. This will not only benefit Cyprus in the domain I have mentioned above, however enable teachers who currently live and work in the occupied area with opportunity to take positions in the RoC's school system. This not only increases financial opportunities of TC's in the occupied area, it brings people from two different communities together breaking down barriers and fear of the unknown.

Firstly i think if his fathers home is occupied by a GC refugee I believe the refugee needs to be re allocated or offer the TC at this stage to have a house build as per refugee association or department, am not sure what Cyprus have to overlook the refugee situation. Remember this is a stage by stage transition but it can be done I believe. Am making the assumption that this is a person my age. To this end he is in mid forties with a couple of really young children.

If the children are school age I believe the Roc provides tuition in Turkish until we have larger numbers of pupils to warrant employing teachers at different regions.

So here's my take on events and issue. My concern is that if the people don't solve it on their own the politicians will not and I have to admit I think the RoC really shouldn't give on anything. other than support to individuals who want to move back to their homes. We are not allowed to return so it is am afraid up to the TC's if they want to better themselves financially by moving back. Imagine some of the TC villages were wealthy one would be worth millions of Euros.



In many countries around the globe, people travel more than an hour to go to work. So to this my friend can keep his job in the occupied area until a better opportunity in the free areas comes along. This way we get a natural transition of the population in their natural environments.

[B25]

Here are the people you represent, and you expect us to live with these people. Shish, remind me who needs the guarantees here.

In the occupied area of Cyprus there have been repeated clashes between the Grey Wolves and Kurdish students and the latest brawl on Friday it has been reported that Grey Wolves stabbed a Kurdish student who has since been hospitalized in occupied Cyprus.

According to the Turkish Cypriot press, a group of Kurdish students gathered outside the hospital demanding to visit the injured.

The newspaper “Star Kibris” devoted its current front page-to-Grey Wolves fighting Kurds in the occupied territories and calls on pseudo regime to take appropriate measures.

Grey Wolves is a Turkish ultra-nationalist neo-fascist youth organization. It is accused of terrorism.

http://www.parikiaki.com/archives/7816/ ... -c10001405

And he has the cheek to call us fascists, bloody hell.

How do you see members of Hrysi Avgi (golden dawn) or of ELAM B25?
I will not judge you by your view, so don't try to be nice, just answer honestly.
I need your reply to explain you the situation regarding the Grey wolves.

Pyro, I don't care how you or anyone elses judges me, I have my views and you yours. groups like XA and ELAM are created when the people feel let down by their government to control the illegal immgrants and immgrants in general. As times get harder, these Immgrants who come to a country with nothing can only turn to crime to survive. However bad the conditions they live and work in, it is 100 times better than they had in the own country otherwise they would not move.

I don't condone the random immgrant beating up, but I can understand where they are coming from. XA got an unprecedented vote yesterday, just ask why? They had about 7% when on 2009 they had a mere 0.29%. This is very telling. It is a break down of society and some people fell that something needs to be done.

Other than that, I don't know what you are expecting to hear from me.

I started this thread in retaliation to Bananiots onslaught of accusations about how shit we GCs are, fascists, cretins, rascists and any other expletive he has used on us. The very people he mingles with where he thinks the sun shine out of their arse are the same people supporting these Grey wolves. And he complains about us.
As for meeting his mates, yeah ok, bring on the shit stirrer propoganda spread Baycrap boy, or his Aussi boy Birkturk, who expects us to kneel down and kiss his feet and beg forgiveness for all our faults, or VP who doesn't want his children have Greek spoken around then or Mr Frog who's definition of equal is 82=18, or any of the others, but hey I guess you get my point.

Just litening to these guys make me so mad and then we have Bananiot on the top beating us with his self righteous BS.

Hade, you get me drift Pyro.

Long post but I think I got the point that will give you a straight answer. Look at the red part. The Grey wolves started with the name "idealists something". They had their ideals. They evolved to ultra nationalists and murderers based on those "ideals". They do have millions of members in all Turcic nations...

What gives them silent widespread acceptance though are those like you who don't condone their "random" violent actions, but know where they are coming from.

That's your opinion, I suppose you are entitled to that, but you are wrong. Why don't you tell us what your thoughts are on these organisations. Because sometime when I read your posts, I feel like you are Bananiot in diguise!

[humanist]

I wish admin will delete one of the two posts I repeated
sorry people

[Bananiot]

B25, you cannot get yourelf to denounce an organisation like Chrysi Avgi and ELAM because you "understand where they come from" and you have the audacity to complain when you are told that you are a fascist? You have issues with the the Grey Wolves but you are a Blue Woolf, that makes you one of the kind.

Humanist, let me tell you the true story of one of my TC mates, Hasip. He heralds from Paphos, originally. In 1958, as a very young kid, he had to move from his village (now in ruins) with his parents. In 1963, his family moved again, to a new home, in another village and in 1974, he had to move to the north. On 3 occasions witin the space of just 16 year he became a refugee. In 2004, he voted to become a refugee for the fourth time (he lives in Morphou) and he still has hopes of a solution that will allow him to live peacefully for the rest of his life. He was never involved in any terrorist organisation. As a teenager, in 1963, he did "army" service but in those days his life was at stake from attacks by the paramilitarists of a certain Paphian warlord. He told me that in essence he felt he was defending the 1960 constitution.

It is a complex situation humanist and I have the feeling you have not grasped the complexity. For you, it seems that there are just cowboys and Indians. Next time you are in Cyprus I would like to get to meet you. I think you are grossly misinformed.

[B25]

B25, you cannot get yourelf to denounce an organisation like Chrysi Avgi and ELAM because you "understand where they come from" and you have the audacity to complain when you are told that you are a fascist? You have issues with the the Grey Wolves but you are a Blue Woolf, that makes you one of the kind.

I didn't expect anyless from you, my skin has grown very thick to your insults and fascist remarks. Carry on, if it makes you look good in front of your 'mates'. I notice you made no comment to my description of the people you want us to meet, perhaps I might just have hit the nail on the head, huh?
All the same, I am done with you Bananiot, I will leave to spew your crap about us, there are more worthy people on here to counter you than I. I guess I have grown sick and tired of hearing your constant bleating and rhetoric on how the TCs are poor victims and we are animals. Enjoy you coffee and I hope you choke on it.

Humanist, let me tell you the true story of one of my TC mates, Hasip. He heralds from Paphos, originally. In 1958, as a very young kid, he had to move from his village (now in ruins) with his parents. In 1963, his family moved again, to a new home, in another village and in 1974, he had to move to the north. On 3 occasions witin the space of just 16 year he became a refugee. In 2004, he voted to become a refugee for the fourth time (he lives in Morphou) and he still has hopes of a solution that will allow him to live peacefully for the rest of his life. He was never involved in any terrorist organisation. As a teenager, in 1963, he did "army" service but in those days his life was at stake from attacks by the paramilitarists of a certain Paphian warlord. He told me that in essence he felt he was defending the 1960 constitution.

How many more times do we need to hear this sob story, why not at least balance what you say with another from the otherside, or would that put you in a bad light with your 'mates'

Next time you are in Cyprus I would like to get to meet you. I think you are grossly misinformed

Seems you want to meet just about every body, it that because on the forum no one listens to you and you prefer to verbally or physically get them to agree with you?

[GreekIslandGirl]

My dears, why are some people comparing democratically elected parties, who work within EU mandates, with the Grey Wolves?

Sweeties, firstly he normalises the "border crossings" and now Turkish killing-organisations.

[Bananiot]

Just to set the records straight. I only retaliated to accusations on a personal level, at all times. I never called anybody anything unless I was provoked first. From my first comment in this forum I was called a traitor and a defeatist and an agent of the Brits and so on. I am one of the few forumers that do not hide behind aliases and express honestly my views because I have nothing to hide. I take everything back and apologise to anyone I have hurt his/hers feelings but I ask for the same treatment.

[GreekIslandGirl]

I agree with the no personal attacks, wholeheartedly. As far as I have read, it's only your ideas we are dissecting Bananiot.

Can we go back to calling each other 'sweetie' and 'my dear', just to ameliorate other heartfelt emotions?

(Not that there was anything personal in my initial post above, but I have edited it to make it even more palatable to sensitivities.)