Cyprus-Forum.com

[Viewpoint]

The Scottish are people who have been in Britain even before the English and have their own territory called Scotland. The same for the Welsh. The same can be said for say the Basques in Spain or the Kurds in Turkey. The Turkish minority in Cyprus has nothing to do with the above examples.

The Turkish minority in Cyprus was created in the same way that other Muslim minorities were created on European/Christian lands occupied by the Ottomans. In fact the Turkish/Muslim minorities on mainland Greece and Bulgaria have been created 200 years before any Turk came to Cyprus.

So do the Scots have their own designated area?

Sure they do. And it is their own land, they didn't steal it from the English. The Turks in Cyprus do not own any separate part of the island, like the Scots. The Turks in Cyprus merely illegally occupy lands that they stole from the native Cypriot people with the Turkish invasion in 1974.

Get to grips man you have lost 37% of Cyprus forever...the only way you can get it back is to start a war kill us all and take the north. Can you see any other options? even the EU wont do your biding.

[Viewpoint]

1. There is a territory called Scotland within the UK with a clearly defined boundary, but all citizens of the UK are free to live, work and study where ever they want. Did you know there are actually more Scots living in England than Scotland?

2. Scotland does not have it's own currency, but some Scottish banks are allowed to print their own Sterling bank notes.

3. Yes, there is a devolved Scottish Parliament with limited powers. |For example, it has no control on tax collection, but has control on how the money the UK Govenrment gives it is spent.

4. There is a Scottish language, a form of Galick, however no-one speaks it anymore.

So they have part autonomy and also have the right to conduct a referendum on whether to part from the union which they are considering right now.

[Piratis]

MeEd, don't let VP drag you into false comparisons.

The Scots have their own territory, now and for millennia (they inhabited Britain even before the English) and they should be free to do what they want with it. If they want to have their own parliament, their own currency etc, then they should be free to do it on their own territory.

On the other hand the TCs are a minority created on Cyprus by a foreign invader relatively recently, and they never owned a separate part of Cyprus.

If VP wants something which is similar to the Scots in our area, that is not the TCs but the Kurds, the biggest nation without a country. Just like the Scots have been in Britain before the English, similarly the Kurds have been in Anatolia before the Turks. And just like the Scots are now and for millennia the majority of a territory called Scotland, so are the Kurds the majority in a territory called Kurdistan.

So VP should tell us why they do not accept for the Kurds in Turkey to have what the Scots have in the UK?

I should also remind VP that there is a also Greek minority in Anatolia, who have been there for millennia, long before the Turks. What rights do the Turks allow to them?

The Turkish minority in Cyprus, created just in the last few centuries by means of a foreign invasion, who never owned a separate part of the island, has the arrogance to demand more powers and privileges than any other minority in the world, on the expense of the democratic and human rights of every other Cypriot. The only other minority that had such kind of arrogance were the Whites of South Africa during Apartheid.

[Piratis]

1. There is a territory called Scotland within the UK with a clearly defined boundary, but all citizens of the UK are free to live, work and study where ever they want. Did you know there are actually more Scots living in England than Scotland?

2. Scotland does not have it's own currency, but some Scottish banks are allowed to print their own Sterling bank notes.

3. Yes, there is a devolved Scottish Parliament with limited powers. |For example, it has no control on tax collection, but has control on how the money the UK Govenrment gives it is spent.

4. There is a Scottish language, a form of Galick, however no-one speaks it anymore.

So they have part autonomy and also have the right to conduct a referendum on whether to part from the union which they are considering right now.

Sure they have. it is their own territory and they should be free to take democratic decisions for it. The Scots should have the right to democratically decide if their own territory should be part of the UK or not.

How is that related to your minority? You don't own any separate part of Cyprus, like the Scots own a part of Britain. So how can you have any right to determine the destiny of something which does not belong to you? Illegally occupying our lands doesn't give you such right.

Or maybe the Turkish minority in Scotland will take up guns and start killing people if they don't agree with the choice of the majority of the Scottish people in the referendum?

[Viewpoint]

Piratis you are constantly confusing private property ownership with sovereignty ownership. i have explained this to you may times we have rights in the sovereignty of this island so that is where you should start from, if the Scots own the soverighty of Scotland this does not mean that all the land there is owned by Scots alone, this does not equate and you continually try to confuse the two as it would not serve your ultimate goal of taking control of the whole island, which we will never allow you.

[Me Ed]

Unfortunately for you VP, you can only express the sovereignty of Cyprus in terms of the whole island and that's enshrined in international law.

[Piratis]

Cyprus has just one sovereignty and was never divisible.

if the Scots own the soverighty of Scotland this does not mean that all the land there is owned by Scots alone

Exactly. Scots own most of the land, they are the majority for millennia in Scotland, and if some other minorities exist in Scotland and own land there, that doesn't mean that Scotland does not belong to the Scots. So you are the one who is confused, not me.

We are like the Scots and you are like some ethnic minority in Scotland. You have no more rights than any other minority does. What you "allow" to us is only related to how criminal you are, not what rights you have. When you occupied Cyprus during Ottoman rule you didn't allow to us anything. Now 2/3rds of Cyprus are free. One day the whole Cyprus will be free. Meanwhile you will suffer the consequences for your crimes and illegalities of trying to disallow to us to exercise our human and democratic rights on our own island.

[Viewpoint]

Unfortunately for you VP, you can only express the sovereignty of Cyprus in terms of the whole island and that's enshrined in international law.

So according to international laws we have rights in the sovereignty of the whole island?

[Viewpoint]

Cyprus has just one sovereignty and was never divisible.

if the Scots own the soverighty of Scotland this does not mean that all the land there is owned by Scots alone

Exactly. Scots own most of the land, they are the majority for millennia in Scotland, and if some other minorities exist in Scotland and own land there, that doesn't mean that Scotland does not belong to the Scots. So you are the one who is confused, not me.

We are like the Scots and you are like some ethnic minority in Scotland. You have no more rights than any other minority does. What you "allow" to us is only related to how criminal you are, not what rights you have. When you occupied Cyprus during Ottoman rule you didn't allow to us anything. Now 2/3rds of Cyprus are free. One day the whole Cyprus will be free. Meanwhile you will suffer the consequences for your crimes and illegalities of trying to disallow to us to exercise our human and democratic rights on our own island.

So what you are saying is that for example if the French purchased 80% of Scottish land Scotland would no longer be Scotland and the Scots would become a minority?

[Piratis]

Cyprus has just one sovereignty and was never divisible.

if the Scots own the soverighty of Scotland this does not mean that all the land there is owned by Scots alone

Exactly. Scots own most of the land, they are the majority for millennia in Scotland, and if some other minorities exist in Scotland and own land there, that doesn't mean that Scotland does not belong to the Scots. So you are the one who is confused, not me.

We are like the Scots and you are like some ethnic minority in Scotland. You have no more rights than any other minority does. What you "allow" to us is only related to how criminal you are, not what rights you have. When you occupied Cyprus during Ottoman rule you didn't allow to us anything. Now 2/3rds of Cyprus are free. One day the whole Cyprus will be free. Meanwhile you will suffer the consequences for your crimes and illegalities of trying to disallow to us to exercise our human and democratic rights on our own island.

So what you are saying is that for example if the French purchased 80% of Scottish land Scot would stop being Scotland and the Scots would become a minority?

If the French owned most of the land and they also have been the majority for millennia on the north part of Britain then obviously it would belong to them. Today the French can't "buy" Scotland, and most importantly they can't steal Scotland, because lets not forget that this is what you are trying to do with the north part of Cyprus.

In the case of Cyprus, the Greek Cypriots have inhabited the whole Cyprus for millennia and they are the majority during the whole period. You took north Cyprus by means of foreign invasion 38 years ago, and you became the majority there artificially by ethnically cleansing the majority of the population and replacing them with Anatolian Settlers. How is this related with Scotland and the Scottish? I am sure the Scottish people would take great offence to have Scotland with its long history compared with some pseudo state declared illegally 30 years ago on stolen and ethnically cleansed territory.