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[GreekIslandGirl]

Here is how Britain was grabbing a big part of the CY EEZ (including the area where field 12 is).

ANNEX II: ADDITIONAL PROTOCOL TO THE TREATY OF ESTABLISHMENT

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Cyprus, Greece and Turkey
Desiring to make provision to give effect to the intention of the Government of the United Kingdom to relinquish sovereignty over parts of the Akrotiri Sovereign Base Area and Dhekelia Sovereign Base Area,
Have agreed as follows

………………….

Article 5
1. Section 3 of Annex A to the Treaty of Establishment shall be replaced by the following:

“Section 3
Cyprus shall not claim, as part of its territorial sea, waters lying between the lines described in the report referred to in the Additional Protocol to this Treaty.”
2. The lines referred to in Section 3, as amended, of Annex A to the Treaty of Establishment, which delimit the waters adjacent to the Sovereign Base Areas that the United Cyprus Republic shall not claim as part of its territorial sea, shall be set out in a report to be prepared by a duly qualified person to be designated by the Government of the United Kingdom. S/he shall begin the work not later than one month after the entry into force of this Protocol and complete it as soon as possible and in any event within a period of nine months. The designated person may appoint technical advisers to assist him/her. S/he shall report to the appropriate authorities of the United Kingdom and Cyprus upon completion of the work.
3. ……….
………….
Article 8

Any dispute about the interpretation or application of this Protocol shall be resolved by consultations and shall not be referred to any international tribunal or third party for settlement.The whole official text.
http://www.hri.org/docs/annan/

Other links here:

cyprus37746.html

Like I said in my relevant post titled "The Annan Fraud for Cyprus", I dedicate this with utter contempt to the advocates of British neo - colonialism.

Erm... one of us needs to go away and do some research. There may be an issue of definitions here.

Believe that Territorial Waters are not the same as EEZ. Territorial Waters extend to max 12 miles, thereafter up to 200 miles from shore (up to any relevant mid-points) is EEZ.

There are legal defs within the law of the Sea for these terms. Who's gonna do the research...????

That's how the Brits got it wrong during the 1960 Constitution and were immediately trying to correct it (first with the 13 point plan and then post 1970). Of course, the final (?) attempt to gain Cyprus' minerals came in the Annan Plan (they did not initially have these rights, i.e. from the treaty of establishment).

[Pyrpolizer]

B25, it is not my fault you cannot comprehend what you read. After all you are not a lawyer like Kimon who instead of conceding defeat he talks rubbish hiding behind an alias. Let him accuse me of being paid by Turkey publically if he is so sure of it, but of course, like all corrupt "patriots" he rather be a cyber tiger. Pyrpoliser, the part about the EEZ is still being used 9 years after the referendum, let alone 2 days after. It was not mentioned by Papadopoulos in his address, for obvious reasons, but it was used extensively the week before the referendum.

Yes I know, it took myself about 2 years reading various legal analyses to realize that they were not right on this specific point.
But like I said before the Anan Plan was rejected for other FAR MORE SERIOUS REASONS.
You are not suggesting that the Anan Plan results would be different if this issue was not there, are you?
Come on Bananiot let yourself digest it, you were not right in voting yes for the Anan Plan....

[Pyrpolizer]

Here is how Britain was grabbing a big part of the CY EEZ (including the area where field 12 is).

ANNEX II: ADDITIONAL PROTOCOL TO THE TREATY OF ESTABLISHMENT

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Cyprus, Greece and Turkey
Desiring to make provision to give effect to the intention of the Government of the United Kingdom to relinquish sovereignty over parts of the Akrotiri Sovereign Base Area and Dhekelia Sovereign Base Area,
Have agreed as follows

………………….

Article 5
1. Section 3 of Annex A to the Treaty of Establishment shall be replaced by the following:

“Section 3
Cyprus shall not claim, as part of its territorial sea, waters lying between the lines described in the report referred to in the Additional Protocol to this Treaty.”
2. The lines referred to in Section 3, as amended, of Annex A to the Treaty of Establishment, which delimit the waters adjacent to the Sovereign Base Areas that the United Cyprus Republic shall not claim as part of its territorial sea, shall be set out in a report to be prepared by a duly qualified person to be designated by the Government of the United Kingdom. S/he shall begin the work not later than one month after the entry into force of this Protocol and complete it as soon as possible and in any event within a period of nine months. The designated person may appoint technical advisers to assist him/her. S/he shall report to the appropriate authorities of the United Kingdom and Cyprus upon completion of the work.
3. ……….
………….
Article 8

Any dispute about the interpretation or application of this Protocol shall be resolved by consultations and shall not be referred to any international tribunal or third party for settlement.The whole official text.
http://www.hri.org/docs/annan/

Other links here:

cyprus37746.html

Like I said in my relevant post titled "The Annan Fraud for Cyprus", I dedicate this with utter contempt to the advocates of British neo - colonialism.

Erm... one of us needs to go away and do some research. There may be an issue of definitions here.

Believe that Territorial Waters are not the same as EEZ. Territorial Waters extend to max 12 miles, thereafter up to 200 miles from shore (up to any relevant mid-points) is EEZ.

There are legal defs within the law of the Sea for these terms. Who's gonna do the research...????

Legal experts have done it already Bill.
In short the British would get exactly the same rights as per 1960 agreements, give back the middle area of Dhekelia, however the two remaining small parts on the left and right (of Dhekelia) would be communicated via the a sea corridor of 3 miles as before.
However the British gained 3 extra things
a)Reconfirmation of the 1960 status of their SBAs directly from the people of Cyprus
b)The clause regarding the 3 miles corridor that said for "whatever purpose" and
c)That strange clause that a British expert ALONE would define the exact boundary of those waters. One could say this clause is not so strange given the fact that the British would return the biggest part of Dhekelia, so it was upto them to decide, not anyone elses.

Nothing to do with the hydrocarbons anyway.

[B25]

B25, it is not my fault you cannot comprehend what you read. After all you are not a lawyer like Kimon who instead of conceding defeat he talks rubbish hiding behind an alias. Let him accuse me of being paid by Turkey publically if he is so sure of it, but of course, like all corrupt "patriots" he rather be a cyber tiger. Pyrpoliser, the part about the EEZ is still being used 9 years after the referendum, let alone 2 days after. It was not mentioned by Papadopoulos in his address, for obvious reasons, but it was used extensively the week before the referendum.

Yes I know, it took myself about 2 years reading various legal analyses to realize that they were not right on this specific point.
But like I said before the Anan Plan was rejected for other FAR MORE SERIOUS REASONS.
You are not suggesting that the Anan Plan results would be different if this issue was not there, are you?
Come on Bananiot let yourself digest it, you were not right in voting yes for the Anan Plan....

Bananiot has admitted in the past that there was reason to reject the Annan Plan at almost every paragraph, yet he still voted for it. Must be telling you something huh? Why he continues to bleating the British EEZ issue is anyones guess. Hey Bananiot, in case you hadn't realised, Annan Plan is dead and buried and has been for 9 years, let it go, it must be eating you up. Just report back to your masters on Embargoed and claim defeat, just tell them we did not swallow your propoganda shit and that they have to try harder. Kyrieleison re Bananiot, astes pelares. Whatever was written or said, the overall plan was a farce and was rejected by the vast majority of the GC people, and rightly so. Are you suggesting that we are not entitled to at least that level of democracy??

[Bananiot]

Of course I am not saying that the result of the referendum would have been any different, I am not stupid. However, I do stick to the choices I made back then and only time will show who was correct or not. This is not a personal issue but deeply political, it has always been political. The options in front of us are extremely limited and many of the variables are outside our control. What we have right now is a country still divided with the occupied part well and truly turkified, not one inch of land returned, not a single refugee went back, still 40 thousand fully armed Turkish soldiers are stationed in the north and the number of settlers has multiplied. We might as well kiss Morphou goodbye and Famagusta is probably lost for ever. The EU, which was supposed to be our saviour, has not behaved as we expected it to, and our economy is going from bad to worse. No solution is in sight and Turkey has started to implement plan B. This is a dire situation we find our selves in. The Annan Plan was not perfect (it could have been better had Papadopoulos negotiated it rather than used it as our card to deceive the EU to accept us) but at least it offered a way out in the short run, with a prospect of bettering things in the future. What do we have now? Time is running against us, it has always run against us really after 1974 but we have failed to admit it, falling victim to populists who reassured the refugees that they will all go back to their properties until the day will come when there will be no refugees left and time will solve the problem for us, against us.

[Bananiot]

B25, enough with your verbal nonsense. I did not start the debate on the issue of the Bases having an EEZ, I simply corrected the lies which still haunt us since 2004. The Annan Plan is dead and buried, I give you this, but I said it the day after the referendum. The history of Cyprus shows that every previous plan is better than the next one and now we have nothing to look forward to. Tetelestai!

The vast majority of TC's in "embargoed" (facebook group) are no different to you. I ask everyone to have a look and see for themselves their views on the Annan Plan. They thank Papadopoulos for getting the GC's to say no, and their arguments are exactly the same as yours B25, simply substitute GC for TC. Amazing, to say the least.

[B25]

B25, enough with your verbal nonsense. I did not start the debate on the issue of the Bases having an EEZ, I simply corrected the lies which still haunt us since 2004. The Annan Plan is dead and buried, I give you this, but I said it the day after the referendum. The history of Cyprus shows that every previous plan is better than the next one and now we have nothing to look forward to. Tetelestai!

Well, you started this thread about the EEZ. So you don't like what you hear, hardly surprising, but anyway, we all know where you are coming from Bananiot and it seems that anyone who opposes you is a ....... ........ ......... ....... ....... ......., just fill in the insults that you like to attribute to us.
They must be so proud of you on the Embargoed site and facebbok group.

[Pyrpolizer]

The Anan Plan 3 was bad already, but it had a HUGE PLUS. What was that? It was the fact that it could provide a solution, a Tremendous momentum among the people of Cyprus for cooperation, and improving things in the future. All those things evaporated with Anan Plans 4 and 5 and those 10 last points Turkey has managed to pass in overnight. The Anan Plan 5, unfortunately became non implementable, The Generals in Turkey would never approve it because the EU would NEVER make it primary law, they would not give Famagusta back, they would not withdraw any Army, our properties would be lost, in the end that would be the end for the Kypreoi in this island.

[Bananiot]

Rememeber Pyrpoliser that A3 was negotiated by Papadopoulos after he won the elections in February 2003 and he was such a good negotiator for us he produced A4 and A5. Still, I think there is nothing else to add here, this is history now.

[boulio]

A3 and a4-5 had some maajor differences:

1)karpasia returned
2)turkish and greek troops removed by 2018 or turkish eu entry whichever first
3)the plan wold not be primary law.thus provisions of the plan that went against eu principles wcould be challenged on court.