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Re: BRITISH BASES AND EEZ

Postby kimon07 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:59 am

Bananiot wrote:"On the 9th of May 2004, "Ethnos", a Greek daily, carried a two page report titled "How they formed the Federation of interests" in which ex President George Vasiliou worked with David Hanney to present Britain with extra privileges for the bases that gave Britain sovereign rights, continental shelf and EEZ. The zone covers the whole of the sea area of Cyprus at a radius of 230 miles, right up to the coast of Turkey, according to the report. The next day all hell broke loose and the issue was raised by all the tv stations and it was taken up in parliament by Perdikis and Prodromou who said the infamous "now we clearly see some things that were hidden behind the Annan Plan".

On the next day, "Ethnos" went back on its writings and expressed sincere apologies to Vasiliou. However, the Cypriot mass media went on as though the original article was true. Since then and until today, the Brits would have laid their hands on our hydrocarbons, according to these liars or uninformed people to say the least.


Yes Bananiot, Whatever you say Bananiot. Did you collect your salary for this month Bananiot? Do you invest it in Turkey for high interest rate like Don does? Eh... Bananiot??
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Re: BRITISH BASES AND EEZ

Postby Bananiot » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:09 am

B25, it is not my fault you cannot comprehend what you read. After all you are not a lawyer like Kimon who instead of conceding defeat he talks rubbish hiding behind an alias. Let him accuse me of being paid by Turkey publically if he is so sure of it, but of course, like all corrupt "patriots" he rather be a cyber tiger. Pyrpoliser, the part about the EEZ is still being used 9 years after the referendum, let alone 2 days after. It was not mentioned by Papadopoulos in his address, for obvious reasons, but it was used extensively the week before the referendum.
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Re: BRITISH BASES AND EEZ

Postby kimon07 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:10 am

Have a nice week teacher. Maybe this will be useful to educate your students/pupils?

Against the plan
• "I consider the Annan plan to be fundamentally flawed. To put it in common language I consider that plan to be a non-starter. It is so incompatible with international law and international human rights norms that it is nothing less than shocking that the organisation would bend to political pressure and political interest on the part of my country of nationality [the USA] and Great Britain, in order to cater for the interests of a NATO partner.... I think it is not salvageable, quite honestly. I think it cannot be saved, and if it were saved I think it would be a major disservice not only to the Cypriot people but a disservice to international law; because everything that we at the UN have tried to build over 60 years, the norms of international law that have emerged in international treaties, in resolutions of the Security Council, would be weakened if not made ridiculous by an arrangement that essentially ignores them, makes them irrelevant or acts completely against the letter and spirit of those treaties and resolutions." Alfred de Zayas, a leading expert in the field of human rights, as well as a former high-ranking United Nations official.[63]
• "It appeared that the UN and the EU were bent on legitimising at least some of the consequences of the Turkish invasion of 1974, because the EU wanted to take the Cyprus issue off the table in order to facilitate negotiations on Turkey's accession to the EU... Greek Cypriots would not have freedom of movement in their own country. In a way, the Greek Cypriots would have been ghettoised." Shlomo Avineri, Professor at the Hebrew University, Jerusalem and former Director-General of Israel's foreign ministry.
• "... had he [Annan] been more closely involved in the details, [he] would not have wished his name to be historically associated with such departures from international law and human rights standards. ...a significant opportunity to reach an agreed settlement was lost as a result of the conduct of the UN Secretariat, advised by the USA and the UK.... The Secretariat sought to mislead the international community through the Secretary-General's Reports and briefings it prepared, so as to pressure a small state effectively to accept the consequences of aggression by a large neighbouring state allied to two permanent members of the Security Council." Claire Palley, Constitutional Law adviser to Cypriot governments since 1980, in 'An International Relations Debacle', 2005
• "The terms of the Annan Plan would in fact have embedded instability into the heart of a Cyprus settlement and would inevitably have led to increasing friction and destabilisation. This is underlined by the provisions concerning the position of foreign nationals with effective control over key areas of governmental activities in Cyprus. Examples where non-Cypriots would (in the event of disagreement between the equal numbers of Greek and Turkish Cypriots) have effective control appeared to include the Reconciliation Commission; the Supreme Court invested with legislative and executive powers; the Central Bank; the Relocation Board; the Property Court and the organs of the Property Board. Bearing in mind the experience of the period 1960-63, the need for stability in the ordering of governmental activities is critical. Further, the foreign nationals concerned would not be democratically accountable to the people of Cyprus." International Group of Legal Experts (Andreas Auer, Switzerland, Professor of Constitutional Law, University of Geneva; Mark Bossuyt, Belgium, Professor of International Law, University of Antwerp; Peter T. Burns, Canada, Former Dean of the UBC Law Faculty, Professor of Law, University of British Columbia, Vancouver; Alfred de Zayas, USA, Geneva School of Diplomacy, Former Secretary, UN Human Rights Committee; Silvio-Marcus Helmons, Belgium, Emeritus Professor of Université Catholique de Louvain, Public International Law and Human Rights; George Kasimatis, Greece, Emeritus Professor of University of Athens, Constitutional Law, Honorary President of the International Association of Constitutional Law; Dieter Oberndörfer, Germany, Professor Emeritus, Political Science, University of Freiburg; Malcolm N. Shaw QC, UK, The Sir Robert Jennings Professor of International Law, University of Leicester.)[64]
• “With regard to the referendums in Cyprus, Parliament’s primary objective should be to apply to itself the principles which it is shouting from the rooftops: observance of human rights and respect for democracy. On the first point, the Annan plan raises fundamental objections. How could the European Parliament endorse a proposed settlement which denies refugees the right to recover the property taken from them, which constitutes a permanent restriction on people’s freedom of movement and establishment, which perpetuates the presence of occupying troops and which does not provide any recourse against violations of human rights before the Strasbourg Court? On the second point, Parliament must not go along with the scandalous pressure being piled onto the Greek Cypriots by both the United States and the European Commission – and in particular by Commissioner Verheugen, one of the keenest advocates of Turkey’s accession to the European Union. The rule of democracy means that the decision of the people must be respected, especially if expressed in the most undeniable way in this respect: a referendum.” Dominique Souchet, Member European Parliament, France.[65]
• "The parties to the UN negotiations, Greece, Turkey, the (Greek) Cypriot government and the (still internationally unrecognised) Turkish Cypriot administration met in April at Bürgenstock in Switzerland, having allowed Kofi Annan in advance to make his own arbitration decisions on any unresolved issues when the negotiations ended; in their final stages a last minute tranche of extra demands were made by the Turkish military—which the Turkish Cypriots had not asked for and did not want. Urged on by the EU and the US, Annan accepted them all—including the proposal that Turkish troops remain in the island in perpetuity. This concession was calculated to smooth the path of Turkey towards EU membership (the deadline for negotiation on which has been set for the end of 2004) and to demonise the Greek Cypriots as scapegoats if a political solution did not materialise. In the short term this part of the plot has worked. The Turkish Cypriot "yes" and the Greek Cypriot "no" in the subsequent referenda generated carefully choreographed accusations against the Greek Cypriots of "democratic irresponsibility", not wanting the island's reunification and jeopardising Turkey's EU membership." Christopher Price, former Labour politician in the United Kingdom.[66]
• "The final version of the plan isn’t a package on which the parties ever agreed. It is a mass of coercions written by aides to the UN secretary- general saying, ‘this meets you halfway’ and then communicated to the parties. Secondly, there’s no precedent in international law of bringing such a blueprint to a referendum. A referendum should be based on a definite text prepared by an authority, or it should be a text on which the parties are agreed so that the people know that the agreement will be accepted if they vote in its favor. None of these conditions now exists. The UN General Secretariat, whose authority is controversial, exercised its ‘goodwill mission’ [good offices mission] granted by the Security Council and made the parties accept it through threats and deception. The text is devoid of compromise. Thirdly, setting aside judicial disagreements on various issues, this ‘map of zones’ is a map being presented to those who’ll live there without any discussion." Mumtaz Soysal in "Mistakes and Deception", Cumhuriyet,2 April 2004.[67
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annan_Plan_for_Cyprus
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Re: BRITISH BASES AND EEZ

Postby kimon07 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:47 am

Bananiot wrote:You are asking easy to answer questions cowboy. In 2004 the Brits would have given back a large chunk of the Bases and in Dekelia, they needed a water corridor to link the two pieces of the base,


1. They already had the corridor since 1960 and they were just reafferming it with the Annan Plan.
2. The area between the bases was never theirs to give up.


Article 5
1. Section 3 of Annex A to the Treaty of Establishment shall be replaced by the following:

“Section 3
Cyprus shall not claim, as part of its territorial sea, waters lying between the lines described in the report referred to in the Additional Protocol to this Treaty.”


The previous provision refers to waters within the base areas (adjacent to the coast lines of the bases)

2. The lines referred to in Section 3, as amended, of Annex A to the Treaty of Establishment, which delimit the waters adjacent to the Sovereign Base Areas that the United Cyprus Republic shall not claim as part of its territorial sea, shall be set out in a report to be prepared by a duly qualified person to be designated by the Government of the United Kingdom. S/he shall begin the work not later than one month after the entry into force of this Protocol and complete it as soon as possible and in any event within a period of nine months. The designated person may appoint technical advisers to assist him/her. S/he shall report to the appropriate authorities of the United Kingdom and Cyprus upon completion of the work.
3. The United Kingdom shall continue to enjoy complete and unimpeded access for any purpose whatsoever to the waters lying between the waters which the United Cyprus Republic shall not claim adjacent to the eastern part of the Dhekelia Sovereign Base Area adjoining the sea (which part is marked on Map A with an area of 16.10 sq. km), and the waters which the United Cyprus Republic shall not claim adjacent to the western part of the Dhekelia Sovereign Base Area adjoining the sea (which is marked on Map A with an area of 5.01 sq km).


The waters of par. 3 are the waters between the bases, they remain territorial waters of the RoC, on which Britain had and has "unimpeded access".

http://www.hri.org/docs/annan/
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Re: BRITISH BASES AND EEZ

Postby kimon07 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:02 am

Bananiot wrote:You are asking easy to answer questions cowboy. In 2004 the Brits would have given back a large chunk of the Bases and in Dekelia, they needed a water corridor to link the two pieces of the base,


No end to your lies teacher? Aren’t you tired of forging the truth?

In short, in exchange for relinquishing 45 square miles of base (land) territory, the UK government could appoint a person who was solely charged to delimit its base (sea) territory, and over whose final ruling, whatever that might be, the Cypriot government could not appeal in any international tribunal or refer the matter to an independent mediator or arbitrator. Land square miles would have been returned, presented as a grand act of post-colonial generosity, and instead sea square miles would have been seized in technical, non-publicized fashion, authorized through annexed details of the UN Plan settling the inter-ethnic conflict in Cyprus.

In addition, the UK would have relinquished land territory in which the Cypriot population lived and worked, that is to say, territory whose administration entailed
increasing levels of burden and responsibility, not only towards the local population but also towards a variety of EU and Council of Europe agencies
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See the link to this in my post below:

cyprus37746.html
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Re: BRITISH BASES AND EEZ

Postby kimon07 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:16 am

Here is how Britain was grabbing a big part of the CY EEZ (including the area where field 12 is).

ANNEX II: ADDITIONAL PROTOCOL TO THE TREATY OF ESTABLISHMENT

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Cyprus, Greece and Turkey
Desiring to make provision to give effect to the intention of the Government of the United Kingdom to relinquish sovereignty over parts of the Akrotiri Sovereign Base Area and Dhekelia Sovereign Base Area,
Have agreed as follows

………………….

Article 5
1. Section 3 of Annex A to the Treaty of Establishment shall be replaced by the following:

“Section 3
Cyprus shall not claim, as part of its territorial sea, waters lying between the lines described in the report referred to in the Additional Protocol to this Treaty.”
2. The lines referred to in Section 3, as amended, of Annex A to the Treaty of Establishment, which delimit the waters adjacent to the Sovereign Base Areas that the United Cyprus Republic shall not claim as part of its territorial sea, shall be set out in a report to be prepared by a duly qualified person to be designated by the Government of the United Kingdom. S/he shall begin the work not later than one month after the entry into force of this Protocol and complete it as soon as possible and in any event within a period of nine months. The designated person may appoint technical advisers to assist him/her. S/he shall report to the appropriate authorities of the United Kingdom and Cyprus upon completion of the work.
3. ……….
………….
Article 8

Any dispute about the interpretation or application of this Protocol shall be resolved by consultations and shall not be referred to any international tribunal or third party for settlement.The whole official text.
http://www.hri.org/docs/annan/

Other links here:

cyprus37746.html

Like I said in my relevant post titled "The Annan Fraud for Cyprus", I dedicate this with utter contempt to the advocates of British neo - colonialism.
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Re: BRITISH BASES AND EEZ

Postby Bananiot » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:08 am

Patriotism, the last refuge of a scoundrel

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Re: BRITISH BASES AND EEZ

Postby bill cobbett » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:26 am

kimon07 wrote:Here is how Britain was grabbing a big part of the CY EEZ (including the area where field 12 is).

ANNEX II: ADDITIONAL PROTOCOL TO THE TREATY OF ESTABLISHMENT

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Cyprus, Greece and Turkey
Desiring to make provision to give effect to the intention of the Government of the United Kingdom to relinquish sovereignty over parts of the Akrotiri Sovereign Base Area and Dhekelia Sovereign Base Area,
Have agreed as follows

………………….

Article 5
1. Section 3 of Annex A to the Treaty of Establishment shall be replaced by the following:

“Section 3
Cyprus shall not claim, as part of its territorial sea, waters lying between the lines described in the report referred to in the Additional Protocol to this Treaty.”
2. The lines referred to in Section 3, as amended, of Annex A to the Treaty of Establishment, which delimit the waters adjacent to the Sovereign Base Areas that the United Cyprus Republic shall not claim as part of its territorial sea, shall be set out in a report to be prepared by a duly qualified person to be designated by the Government of the United Kingdom. S/he shall begin the work not later than one month after the entry into force of this Protocol and complete it as soon as possible and in any event within a period of nine months. The designated person may appoint technical advisers to assist him/her. S/he shall report to the appropriate authorities of the United Kingdom and Cyprus upon completion of the work.
3. ……….
………….
Article 8

Any dispute about the interpretation or application of this Protocol shall be resolved by consultations and shall not be referred to any international tribunal or third party for settlement.The whole official text.
http://www.hri.org/docs/annan/

Other links here:

cyprus37746.html

Like I said in my relevant post titled "The Annan Fraud for Cyprus", I dedicate this with utter contempt to the advocates of British neo - colonialism.


Erm... one of us needs to go away and do some research. There may be an issue of definitions here.

Believe that Territorial Waters are not the same as EEZ. Territorial Waters extend to max 12 miles, thereafter up to 200 miles from shore (up to any relevant mid-points) is EEZ.

There are legal defs within the law of the Sea for these terms. Who's gonna do the research...????
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Re: BRITISH BASES AND EEZ

Postby humanist » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:09 pm

both the Brits and the Turks need to get their arses out of Cyprus
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Re: BRITISH BASES AND EEZ

Postby Bananiot » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:27 pm

Agree humanist, but those that brought them here are on the rampage again.They will not let go until the whole of Cyprus is lost. Their patriotic rhetoric is cheap. It costs them nothing and wishful thinking will not get Turkey out of Cyprus either.
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