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[Me Ed]

Unfortunately for you VP, you can only express the sovereignty of Cyprus in terms of the whole island and that's enshrined in international law.

So according to international laws we have rights in the sovereignty of the whole island?

If you mean by "we" every Cypriot, irrespective of ethnicity, on the island then collectively yes.

If you mean a particular group on the island, then no.

[Viewpoint]

Unfortunately for you VP, you can only express the sovereignty of Cyprus in terms of the whole island and that's enshrined in international law.

So according to international laws we have rights in the sovereignty of the whole island?

If you mean by "we" every Cypriot, irrespective of ethnicity, on the island then collectively yes.

If you mean a particular group on the island, then no.

Would that also include the GCs as a group?

[repulsewarrior]

Unfortunately for you VP, you can only express the sovereignty of Cyprus in terms of the whole island and that's enshrined in international law.

So according to international laws we have rights in the sovereignty of the whole island?

If you mean by "we" every Cypriot, irrespective of ethnicity, on the island then collectively yes.

If you mean a particular group on the island, then no.

Would that also include the GCs as a group?

...GC and TC, as you call them, are Persons. The State defends its Citizens as Individuals, and, as the negotiations have been arranged, they must defend the interests of the Greek Constituency; will you join me in demanding that the Grecophones join in the discussions so that our State is free from this unfair bias?

[Bananiot]

Christos Iacovou, another bash nationalist who thinks that god created Britain to drain Cyprus of its natural resources, has an article in today's "Politis" on the subject of Cyprus - Britain and the EEZ. Read it if you get the chance.

[Bananiot]

Just seen another piece (page 16) on the same subject by Antonis Michaelides, ex Minister. He disagrees with Loukis Loukaides on a number of points.

[bsharpish]

Errrrrr...... Just to upset the Scottish paradigm

I think you'll find that apprx 2/3rds of Scotland is owned by 1250(ish) people

Predominantly wealthy non scots, corporations, trusts or Aristocrats of the English kind ( the king of Scotland became the king of England In 1603 - subsequently all titles are granted by the ruling English monarch)

For example
Duke of buccleuch ...... Of English origin ..... Owns 270000 acres
Vlissengen family ...... Owns 80000 acres
Alcan corporation ...... 135000 acres
Duke of westminster ........ 106000
The RSPB ......... 124000

The Saudi's ?
The Russians ?


So in metric ..... These Named 5 alone own Approx 3000 square kilometers ( approx equivalenof to 30% of Cyprus)

Also, in a perverse way, relevant -

There are approx 100000 square kilometres of seabed under Scotland’s coastal waters and territorial seas. These surrounding seas have never been granted out from the Crown into some form of ownership and thus remain held by the Crown ‘in trust for the people of Scotland’ under the Crown’s distinct constitutional identity in Scotland.

Finally ..... The Scots came begging, quite literally, for union In 1707 after bankrupting there country in the Darien scheme disaster.
If not for England the Scottish economy would have collapsed..... But after the act of union the ENGLISH stabilised the scots economy and instigated a stable currency ( the pound) and in partnership both countries thrived, in particular Scotland, which within a generation became one of the most advanced Commercial trading countries in the world.

The foolishness of nationalism in Scotland will only weaken both sides of the border IMHO

[Viewpoint]

Unfortunately for you VP, you can only express the sovereignty of Cyprus in terms of the whole island and that's enshrined in international law.

So according to international laws we have rights in the sovereignty of the whole island?

If you mean by "we" every Cypriot, irrespective of ethnicity, on the island then collectively yes.

If you mean a particular group on the island, then no.

Would that also include the GCs as a group?

...GC and TC, as you call them, are Persons. The State defends its Citizens as Individuals, and, as the negotiations have been arranged, they must defend the interests of the Greek Constituency; will you join me in demanding that the Grecophones join in the discussions so that our State is free from this unfair bias?

But what you claim "The State defends its Citizens as Individuals" was never the case repulse was it....be honest?

[Me Ed]

VP, it's obvious where you are going with this.

You believe that the TCs as a communtity, should have the right to partition Cyprus under the guise that they have a unitlateral say on the sovereignty of Cyprus.

I'll explain why in terms that you understand why this will fail,

Turkey is recognised as a single sovereign state in the eyes of the UN, and therefore any suggestion of partioning Turkey to create a separate Kurdish state has no legal basis, because although the Kurds have a say in the sovereignty of Turkey, their remit does not extend to dividing it - just like the TCs in Cyprus.

Case closed.

[Viewpoint]

VP, it's obvious where you are going with this.

You believe that the TCs as a communtity, should have the right to partition Cyprus under the guise that they have a unitlateral say on the sovereignty of Cyprus.

I'll explain why in terms that you understand why this will fail,

Turkey is recognised as a single sovereign state in the eyes of the UN, and therefore any suggestion of partioning Turkey to create a separate Kurdish state has no legal basis, because although the Kurds have a say in the sovereignty of Turkey, their remit does not extend to dividing it - just like the TCs in Cyprus.

Case closed.

Do the Kurds have an internationally recognized agreement with the Turks, like ours?

You want to force us into minority status in a GC state and we want to go it alone using our right to live on this island without being forced to capitulate to GC demands who we do not trust one iota, thats why you see our demands as unrealistic as they counter your true intentions of island wide dominance.

[Me Ed]

VP, it's obvious where you are going with this.

You believe that the TCs as a communtity, should have the right to partition Cyprus under the guise that they have a unitlateral say on the sovereignty of Cyprus.

I'll explain why in terms that you understand why this will fail,

Turkey is recognised as a single sovereign state in the eyes of the UN, and therefore any suggestion of partioning Turkey to create a separate Kurdish state has no legal basis, because although the Kurds have a say in the sovereignty of Turkey, their remit does not extend to dividing it - just like the TCs in Cyprus.

Case closed.

Do the Kurds have an internationally recognized agreement with the Turks, like ours?

You want to force us into minority status in a GC state and we want to go it alone using our right to live on this island without being forced to capitulate to GC demands who we do not trust one iota, thats why you see our demands as unrealistic as they counter your true intentions of island wide dominance.

You're missing the point VP,

evething you state above is irrelevant when it comes to the sovereignty of Cyprus, because any "agreement" you ever had does not, in any legal terms, stretch to your unilateral partition of Cyprus - if it did, the Cyprus problem would have been settled years ago by the UN.

At the end of the day, agreement or not, the TCs have the same say in the sovereignty of Cyprus as the Kurds do with respect to the sovereignty of Turkey.