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[garbitsch]

At least I wouldn't expect you to say "cos we know you guys smell like your allergic to soap and water or something". Now are you going to say that you only meant 2fan? I know you meant all Turks. You are even worse than VP, and I am ashamed of myself because I defended you against him before...

[bg_turk]

lol vision of peace!? He set the standards for your country and look at it today. Run by the military, has terrible human rights violations, a bad record against ethnic minorities and injected ignorance in the mind of his people. As for 'Greek Yoke'...thats a nice play with words...ut you cant hide the fact that we as a people inhabited that area and lived in that area before the Turks came...so you can play with whatever words that you want but your only kidding yourself. Besides, your setting the example of Turkish nationalistic land-greed again...by saying "Oh you should be grateful we didnt invade the other Greek lands".

Anyway, I was just trying to point out that he could have easily taken West Thrace which was predominantly turkish at the time and at the moment actually. But he didn't, take a land that was previously invaded by Greece from Bulgaria, and you hardly had any claims on it based on ethnic compositions.

And while accusing ataturk for "a bad record against ethnic minorities" and nationalism, just to help you out of your historic ignorance, I would like to remind you that turks in general were the last once to emerge as a nation. Greeks, Serbians and Bulgarians were quite feverish nationalists, and it is no coincidance that there is hardly any minority in greece today. Do you know why? It is because you are so good in ethnic cleansing and assimilation, that there is hardly anything left to assimilate in the state of greece.

As far as "injecting ignorance" in the minds of his people is concerned, I am not quite sure what you mean? He establised democracy, educated the illiterate masses and abolished the arbaic script, and banned religious fundamentalism, gave women voting rights before Austria and France, no doubt things you consider to be very ignorat.

PS And besides my country is Bulgaria, just for your information.

[bg_turk]

Main_Source the prime example on display for all Turkish Cypriots to take note of and decide on just who and what mentality they would be banking their future on. Yet again you vomit the venom from within your brain and heart for all to see. Well done.

Viewpoint, I fully support you, but let us not fall into the trap of generalizations about a whole community based just a few members.

[Main_Source]

At least I wouldn't expect you to say "cos we know you guys smell like your allergic to soap and water or something". Now are you going to say that you only meant 2fan? I know you meant all Turks. You are even worse than VP, and I am ashamed of myself because I defended you against him before...

If its any consolation...I meant Turks from Turkey...AND VP.

Anyway, I was just trying to point out that he could have easily taken West Thrace which was predominantly turkish at the time and at the moment actually. But he didn't, take a land that was previously invaded by Greece from Bulgaria, and you hardly had any claims on it based on ethnic compositions.

And while accusing ataturk for "a bad record against ethnic minorities" and nationalism, just to help you out of your historic ignorance, I would like to remind you that turks in general were the last once to emerge as a nation. Greeks, Serbians and Bulgarians were quite feverish nationalists, and it is no coincidance that there is hardly any minority in greece today. Do you know why? It is because you are so good in ethnic cleansing and assimilation, that there is hardly anything left to assimilate in the state of greece.

As far as "injecting ignorance" in the minds of his people is concerned, I am not quite sure what you mean? He establised democracy, educated the illiterate masses and abolished the arbaic script, and banned religious fundamentalism, gave women voting rights before Austria and France, no doubt things you consider to be very ignorat.

PS And besides my country is Bulgaria, just for your information

1. There was no such thing as Bulgaria when the ancient Macedonian Greeks inhabited Thessaloniki. The Greeks took back what was there's through heritage.

2. Your second paragraph makes no sense. Just because Turkey is a young country, are you saying there is no overt nationalism? lol Come on, the nationalism shown by many Turks is extreme, at least admit to that. I dont know any other peoples that would wave Turkish flags down Green Lanes after a 0-0 draw with Greece...Oh yeah, have you BEEN to Greece!? Are you REALLY trying to tell me there are NO ethnic minorities in Greece!? HAHAHAHAHAHA. Listen, like I said before, dont even bother trying to compare Greece adn Turkey's policy towards ethnic minorities...because it is a European Court of Human Rights FACT that Turkey has terrible human rights records towards ethnic minorities, which is a reform that is compulsory before joining the EU.

As far as "injecting ignorance" in the minds of his people is concerned, I am not quite sure what you mean? He establised democracy, educated the illiterate masses and abolished the arbaic script, and banned religious fundamentalism, gave women voting rights before Austria and France, no doubt things you consider to be very ignorat

What I mean by injecting ignorance is that has made the average Turk think they are better then any other people and they can do no wrong. Look at some of the injustices in history and look how apologetic the ancestors of people who carried out those injustices are. You can get a white-american saying they are sorry for the slave trade, or even a British person admitting the British Empire was not so noble, i'll even admit to not being a fan of Alexander the Great...but you will NEVER get a Turk admitting to the huge injustices caused by their government in the past. Even though they have had many conflicts with different countries, Ataturk has brainwashed your people into thinking Turkey is always right and great in everything they do. Believe me, its REALLY NOT just Greeks who traditonally have beef with Turkey, there are others too.

PS And besides my country is Bulgaria, just for your information.

Oh sorry, who do you blindly stick up for and what is your name on this forum again?

[garbitsch]

If its any consolation...I meant Turks from Turkey...AND VP.

So what? This made you less racist and more likable?

Are you REALLY trying to tell me there are NO ethnic minorities in Greece!? HAHAHAHAHAHA. Listen, like I said before, dont even bother trying to compare Greece adn Turkey's policy towards ethnic minorities...because it is a European Court of Human Rights FACT that Turkey has terrible human rights records towards ethnic minorities, which is a reform that is compulsory before joining the EU.

Fact 1: According to Greek government, there are NO ethnic minorities within the borders of Greece. There is only Muslim Greeks, who are religious minority. Ethnically, Greek govt claim, these people are Greek!
Fact 2: Greece is an EU member state and still misbehaves her ethnic minorities (oh sorry there are no ethnic minorities in Greece).
Fact 3: Greece, as an EU member state, bars people calling themselves "Turks, Macedonians, Vlachs" and the ones who do so are highly persecuted.
Fact 4: Just because Turkey has worse human rights violations regarding ethnic minorities, does not change the fact that Greece, as a EU member state, mistreats her ethnic minorities (sorry there are no ethnic minorities in Greece).

References:
http://www.hrw.org/reports/pdfs/g/greece/greec991.pdf
http://www.minelres.lv/reports/greece/greece_NGO.htm

[bg_turk]

1. There was no such thing as Bulgaria when the ancient Macedonian Greeks inhabited Thessaloniki. The Greeks took back what was there's through heritage.

Of course there wasnt, but there is now. And there were many bulgarians and slavs in thesaloniki which you ethnically cleansed after you invaded the city. to me human lives are more important than heritage.

2. Your second paragraph makes no sense. Just because Turkey is a young country, are you saying there is no overt nationalism? lol Come on, the nationalism shown by many Turks is extreme, at least admit to that.

No I am saying nationalism is lagrely a greek invention, nation building and nationalism took place much earlier in greece than in turkey. Turkish or greek nationalism like any other is extreme, and you are a true testament to that.

I dont know any other peoples that would wave Turkish flags down Green Lanes after a 0-0 draw with Greece...

In fact I know one, and it is greeks.

Oh yeah, have you BEEN to Greece!? Are you REALLY trying to tell me there are NO ethnic minorities in Greece!? HAHAHAHAHAHA. Listen, like I said before, dont even bother trying to compare Greece adn Turkey's policy towards ethnic minorities...

I have been to Greece, and I have seen the story states in which albanians and turks live. I have been to THessaloniki and Xanthi.

because it is a European Court of Human Rights FACT that Turkey has terrible human rights records towards ethnic minorities, which is a reform that is compulsory before joining the EU.

I do not know about turkey but I definitely say Greece is significantly worse than Bulgaria in terms of minority rights. In fact you are probably the worst in the EU! Even compared to turkey, you are worse in some areas. For instance turkey has broadcast in kurdish over the national TRT, does Greece have any broadcasts in that. Greece banned a women's organization with "Turkish" in its name recently, does that seem to you like a lot of minority rights? The only thing Greece is better in is that escalation of violance has not been permitted and turks in greece never engage in terrorist activities to undermine the soveregnity of the state.

What I mean by injecting ignorance is that has made the average Turk think they are better then any other people and they can do no wrong. Look at some of the injustices in history and look how apologetic the ancestors of people who carried out those injustices are. You can get a white-american saying they are sorry for the slave trade, or even a British person admitting the British Empire was not so noble, i'll even admit to not being a fan of Alexander the Great...but you will NEVER get a Turk admitting to the huge injustices caused by their government in the past. Even though they have had many conflicts with different countries, Ataturk has brainwashed your people into thinking Turkey is always right and great in everything they do.

Very easy to disprove this statement. I am a TURK and I belive Turkey committed and continues to commit a lot of wrongs. Ataturk had a lot of negative aspects to himslef especially from the greek perspective (he defeated you afterall), but the positive aspects by far outweigh the negative once, and that is why nobody talks about them, is it so hard to understand. He we a human being after all, not some supercreature.

Oh sorry, who do you blindly stick up for and what is your name on this forum again?

I stick for whom I believe is correct and I am a Turkish Bulgarian if you will, I am a Bulgarian citizen of turkish origin and hence my name.

[garbitsch]

Ataturk was not all wrong and he didn't brainwashed people to the extend you claim MS. Those who did were the people who had idolized him and his principles into a state religion called Kemalizm. Turkey had to deal with lots of domestic problems, especially coming from Kurdish seperatism and religious fundementalism. Turkey, under the rule of CHP, had responded these demands with military. They had never listened to these people. This wasn't Ataturk's fault. Ataturk even came to terms with Venizelos and they had even agreed on a gradual unification between Greece and Turkey (something like Benelux). I am sure if they could ever succeeded, then there would have been no Aegean and no Cyprus problems.

[2fan]

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Sourcey,

It's very obvious that you are suffering from bitchslap syndrome. I know it's not easy for you to face up to the fact that you got your ass kicked twice in a century. I think we know who the brainwashed sheep are in this forum. It ain't the Turks. I suggest you read some objective books about history.

At least the real Turk is coming out in you 2fan...reality is staring you right in the face and you have nothing to do but brag about Turkish greed. At least your being yourself and not playing the poor Turkish victim as usual.

I'm not bragging about anything but pointing out the obvious as you like to do so often. I do not see anything "greedy" in Ataturk's actions. He redefined Turkey's borders and defended them. What conquests are you talking about? I never play the poor Turkish victim .....ever.

..and yes we DO know who the brainwashed sheep ae in this forum...infact, go ask an Arab, or an Armenian, or a Kurd or any other person who's decendants have come into conflict with Turks. Its not only Greeks who are supposed to not like Turks. I know Arabs who wont even step into a Turkish kebab house....we all know how much of a fucked up brainwashed nationalistic people you are...


I could care less if an Arab doesn't want to step into a Turkish kebab house. That is their problem not mine. Arabs, Armenians and Greeks saw an opportunity to stab the Turks in the back in WW1 and they took it and lost. What you can not stomach is the fact that the Turks were able defend themselves and establish the republic.
Like Fat Larry's Band said, you better "Act Like You Know"...before you make a bigger fool of yourself to the world.

I'm confident that I know a hell of a lot more than you. Your arguments are like the pissing matches of a 6year old schoolyard boy. Most of them don't hold water. Moreover it is you that is making a fool of himself when you give your warped version of history.

You have a major beef with Turkey because you claim we "occupy" Greek ancestral homes (not talking about Cyprus) and defend the actions of the Greeks in WW1. Ancient Greece was colonizing areas of France, Italy and even Spain. Why don't you also claim these lands from their current owners? And when is the magic cut-off date to when a race of people are deemed the real owners of the real estate they conquer. 100years?, 500, 1000???

and if you wanna talk about Bitch Slapping, id be hapy to give you an example...just as long as you wash yourself first...cos we know you guys smell like your allergic to soap and water or something.[/quote]

LOL, this comment proves how intellectually challenged you really are I won't even dignify it with an answer.