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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Main_Source » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:54 pm

How is Papadopolous benefiting? Do you really think he would get pleasure from giving Turkey a 'NO' vote rather than being the leader of Cyprus who played a major part in a reunification?

Besides, who has the REAL benefit, RoC or Turkey...who are needed by the world superpowers like the USA and Britain...as well as being good friends with Israel. You know full well that if Turkey werent in that gang, then they would not have got away with occupying the north for so long.

anyway, im not saying that every single issue that Papadopolous gave in his plan should have been expected...but when the answer from Talat is either semi-recognition or we dont move further, then you tell me who is being the hardliner.

If Talat and Papadopolous ever agree on a solution, Turkey would never dare oppose an agreement which TCs support.


Do you really think Talat has the final say in any soloution? Didnt Turkey object when he was going to offer Famagusta back? Besides, you tell me who really runs things in the north of Cyprus, Talat or the Turkish military?
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Postby bg_turk » Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:17 pm

Main_Source wrote:Do you really think Talat has the final say in any soloution? Didnt Turkey object when he was going to offer Famagusta back? Besides, you tell me who really runs things in the north of Cyprus, Talat or the Turkish military?


As far as I know Talat only offered Varosha in exchange for direct trade and flights, an offer that was rejected by Papadopolous, followed by an angry reaction of the refugees that would have been able to return.

Turkey has some influence, but not total control over TCs and Talat, and it is naive to think that if TCs and GCs agree to a solution Turkey would be able to prevent it.
It is also naive to negotiate with Turkey. Even if GCs and Turkey can come to an agreement, it is TCs that will be directly affected and they will have the final say.

Shortly, Turkey does not have the power to either obstruct an agreement between GCs and TCs or impose an agreement on TCs against their will.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:31 pm

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Garbitsch, your turning into a ignorant nationalist moron like VP


Look whos talking, man you are unbelievable theres no one more nationalistic than you on this forum. As for ignorant & moron Ill let other forum members decide.... :lol:
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Postby BirKibrisli » Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:21 pm

Alexios wrote:At the end of the day, I wouldnt expect any different argument from people who obey the brain washing from a backward expanionsist, siege mentality state.


Seems,the bear has not tought you anything....[/quote]

Alexios,I like your bear story very much.And you are right,if only we could stop calling each other names and regurgitate old arguments and accusations we might see that despite everything that happened in the past 42 years,the situation is not unsolvable.
What does it matter now who started what,and who killed how many people?What is done is done,and we need to put it behind us and move forward.To do that we only have to admit that both sides were wrong about some things,and acknowledge the pain and anger and bitterness these unfortunate events have caused.Why is it so difficult to say "I am sorry"?What is so difficult to understand that unless people's sense of justice and fairness are satisfied there cannot be a lasting solution.We cannot build a nation on stolen property.We cannot compound our problems by bringing in some poor souls from Turkey who stick out like a sour thumb,who can never be accepted by the majority of Cypriots.We seem to have a death wish.We want to be anything else than what we are,Cypriots with a common gene pool who is closer to each other than to the mainlanders.We are afraid that our Turkishness or Greekness will disappear if we agree to a solution that will please the other side.Let me ask you all one thing,despite their individual merit or otherwise,what has been of Turkish or Greek origin done for us Cypriots?It has caused us untold heartaches,unbearable pain and suffering,that's all.There can only be one just solution to the Cyprus problem imo.To return to the original RoC of 1960,with all its imperfections,it is all that we have.I know this will require extreme generocity on the Gc part,and extreme trustfulness on the part of the TCs,but what other choice do we have?
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Postby garbitsch » Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:24 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Main_Source
Garbitsch, your turning into a ignorant nationalist moron like VP


Look whos talking, man you are unbelievable theres no one more nationalistic than you on this forum. As for ignorant & moron Ill let other forum members decide.... :lol:


He should watch out his words, or I will wash his mouth with cheap ouzo :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Main_Source » Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:38 pm

better than that Turkish yoghurt drink that is so salty and sour...i can only imagine what the taste is similar too.
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Postby garbitsch » Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:57 pm

That's called Ayran and it is also sold in south cyprus too (Airani). but the ones the greeks do looks a bit different. Ayrans in Turkey are sweeter than the ones made in Cyprus. Don't know why :wink:
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Postby Kifeas » Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:10 pm

Birkibrisli wrote:Alexios,I like your bear story very much.And you are right,if only we could stop calling each other names and regurgitate old arguments and accusations we might see that despite everything that happened in the past 42 years,the situation is not unsolvable.


I agree but… may I ask for an exception to this rule between.... Viewpoint and me?
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Postby BirKibrisli » Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:25 pm

Kifeas wrote:
Birkibrisli wrote:Alexios,I like your bear story very much.And you are right,if only we could stop calling each other names and regurgitate old arguments and accusations we might see that despite everything that happened in the past 42 years,the situation is not unsolvable.


I agree but… may I ask for an exception to this rule between.... Viewpoint and me?


Exception granted,Kifeas :D :D :D
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Postby Kifeas » Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:32 pm

Birkibrisli wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
Birkibrisli wrote:Alexios,I like your bear story very much.And you are right,if only we could stop calling each other names and regurgitate old arguments and accusations we might see that despite everything that happened in the past 42 years,the situation is not unsolvable.


I agree but… may I ask for an exception to this rule between.... Viewpoint and me?


Exception granted,Kifeas :D :D :D


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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