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[Lordo]

Lordo...No, it's not on the internet. I looked and looked but couldn't find anything. Please can you help me with your Wikipedia-knowledge?

I will give you some clues. FInd out what the 10,000 Greek Soldiers were doing in Cyprus. You will find their role mentioned in the said plan.

But be aware of the Mongols, they will eat you alive.

[GreekIslandGirl]

But, EOKA defeated Great Britain and therefore how could, if I may ask, Britain blackmailed Makarios with partition? Shouldn't it have been the other way? The victorious EOKA blackmailing the Brits to get a chunk of Devon, perhaps?

Pyrpoliser, I agree with you. These jokers, whom we still glorify, destroyed Cyprus.

What most people like to forget was that the Eoka struggle was for freedom AND Enosis.
When people don't know or chose to ignore the true facts, they are driven like sheep Bananiot. It started with Napoleon "the Great".

Of course the EOKA struggle was for freedom AND Enosis, because that is exactly what the vast majority of the Cypriot people wanted.

And no, we didn't defeat the Turko-British axis. We are half a million fighting against 2 powers of combined population of 120 million. Still, our struggle against the imperialist axis is important and should always be celebrated as it demonstrates that while foreign invaders can enslave our lands they can never enslave our minds and souls. Those who are trying to destroy Cyprus are the Turkish invaders and the British colonialists, not the ones who fight for the freedom and self-determination of the Cypriot people. Those are heroes and will remain so for ever.

Then the Eoka struggle has obviously failed. The freedom we got was crippled and we got no Enosis. Listen Piratis what the majority wants does not come automatically in this world, unless the majority has the power to do it. I will give you 2 examples:
a)The majority today wants those few hundred Kypreoi who own hundreds of acres in Nicosia Limassol Paphos etc, who just keep them there to get more value, to get taxed.They are only a few hundred people... Guess why it doesn't happen
b)The majority of the Kypreoi refugees want to return back to their homes and lands. Guess why it doesn't happen.

On the one hand you are condemning EOKA for fighting to get what they wanted and ridiculing them for failing (in your eyes); and then on the other hand you are moaning about some wrongs which have not been righted because nobody is fighting to correct them.

[kimon07]

Lordo...No, it's not on the internet. I looked and looked but couldn't find anything. Please can you help me with your Wikipedia-knowledge?

I will give you some clues. FInd out what the 10,000 Greek Soldiers were doing in Cyprus. You will find their role mentioned in the said plan.

But be aware of the Mongols, they will eat you alive.

It looks like turkish propaganda has messed up your mind for good.

The deployment of the 10.000 Greek Soldiers was decided in 1964 by Makarios and the then government of Greece (G. Papandreou the grand father) just after the bombing of Tylliria by Turkey, in order to defend Cyprus against a possible turkish invasion, or, rather, in order to deter Turkey from even thinking to invade.
Under Aphrodite one, in case of an invasion this force would not deal with the Turkish Cypriot militants or with the enclaves but it would be used ONLY against invading turkish troops. As I said above, this force was withdrawn from Cyprus by the Greek junta in 1967.

Samson had nothing to do with Cyprus politics till 1974. He was just a news paper publisher and nothing more than that. Only during the initial clashes of 1963-1964 he formed his own paramilitary force of volunteers which fought to contain the TMT in Omorfita and Kaimakli districts. His force together with the similar force which had been formed by Lyssarides during the same period and for the same purpose, stood down and were disarmed as soon as the National Guard was formed in 1964.

[Pyrpolizer]

But, EOKA defeated Great Britain and therefore how could, if I may ask, Britain blackmailed Makarios with partition? Shouldn't it have been the other way? The victorious EOKA blackmailing the Brits to get a chunk of Devon, perhaps?

Pyrpoliser, I agree with you. These jokers, whom we still glorify, destroyed Cyprus.

What most people like to forget was that the Eoka struggle was for freedom AND Enosis.
When people don't know or chose to ignore the true facts, they are driven like sheep Bananiot. It started with Napoleon "the Great".

Of course the EOKA struggle was for freedom AND Enosis, because that is exactly what the vast majority of the Cypriot people wanted.

And no, we didn't defeat the Turko-British axis. We are half a million fighting against 2 powers of combined population of 120 million. Still, our struggle against the imperialist axis is important and should always be celebrated as it demonstrates that while foreign invaders can enslave our lands they can never enslave our minds and souls. Those who are trying to destroy Cyprus are the Turkish invaders and the British colonialists, not the ones who fight for the freedom and self-determination of the Cypriot people. Those are heroes and will remain so for ever.

Then the Eoka struggle has obviously failed. The freedom we got was crippled and we got no Enosis. Listen Piratis what the majority wants does not come automatically in this world, unless the majority has the power to do it. I will give you 2 examples:
a)The majority today wants those few hundred Kypreoi who own hundreds of acres in Nicosia Limassol Paphos etc, who just keep them there to get more value, to get taxed.They are only a few hundred people... Guess why it doesn't happen
b)The majority of the Kypreoi refugees want to return back to their homes and lands. Guess why it doesn't happen.

On the one hand you are condemning EOKA for fighting to get what they wanted and ridiculing them for failing (in your eyes); and then on the other hand you are moaning about some wrongs which have not been righted because nobody is fighting to correct them.

LOL how did you get that??? I just stated FACTS. I have not condemned nor tried to to ridicule anything I just answered to Piratis that what the majority might want, THAT majority must also have the power AND the means to make it happen. Otherwise it's all thin air.

Are we getting too emotional about our sacred cows GIG?

[Viewpoint]

Respect yet again Pyro.

[Mapko]

This is unbelievable! Greek Cypriots pandering to the whims of the Turkic tribe! In WWII, you people would have been marked out for when the countries were liberated, then you would have been taken through the streets on a cart, while everyone jeered and threw rotten vegetables at you. Then you would have had all your hair cut off - in Ireland, you would have had tar poured over your heads and then had chicken feathers thrown over you. You would then have been run out of the city and everyone could have hated you. You are lucky you live in a civilised, Greek society.

[GreekIslandGirl]

What most people like to forget was that the Eoka struggle was for freedom AND Enosis.
When people don't know or chose to ignore the true facts, they are driven like sheep Bananiot. It started with Napoleon "the Great".

Of course the EOKA struggle was for freedom AND Enosis, because that is exactly what the vast majority of the Cypriot people wanted.

And no, we didn't defeat the Turko-British axis. We are half a million fighting against 2 powers of combined population of 120 million. Still, our struggle against the imperialist axis is important and should always be celebrated as it demonstrates that while foreign invaders can enslave our lands they can never enslave our minds and souls. Those who are trying to destroy Cyprus are the Turkish invaders and the British colonialists, not the ones who fight for the freedom and self-determination of the Cypriot people. Those are heroes and will remain so for ever.

Then the Eoka struggle has obviously failed. The freedom we got was crippled and we got no Enosis. Listen Piratis what the majority wants does not come automatically in this world, unless the majority has the power to do it. I will give you 2 examples:
a)The majority today wants those few hundred Kypreoi who own hundreds of acres in Nicosia Limassol Paphos etc, who just keep them there to get more value, to get taxed.They are only a few hundred people... Guess why it doesn't happen
b)The majority of the Kypreoi refugees want to return back to their homes and lands. Guess why it doesn't happen.

On the one hand you are condemning EOKA for fighting to get what they wanted and ridiculing them for failing (in your eyes); and then on the other hand you are moaning about some wrongs which have not been righted because nobody is fighting to correct them.

LOL how did you get that??? I just stated FACTS. I have not condemned nor tried to to ridicule anything I just answered to Piratis that what the majority might want, THAT majority must also have the power AND the means to make it happen. Otherwise it's all thin air.

Are we getting too emotional about our sacred cows GIG?

You categorically stated EOKA failed because they went for "freedom AND Enosis" and only got one. A logical analyst might say they compromised or had only called a ceasefire. It is not a fact that they "failed" but an emotional response from someone who does not accept compromise is sometimes necessary.

But yes, I do have my 'sacred cows' - chosen because they represent the maximum good. Not absolute good, as I don't believe in one god. But they serve their relative good and are sacred for the ultimate good they can generate. It is these sacred cows (my maximum moral goodness), which, defying revered logic, allowed for the (emotional) development of Human Rights. These are based on 'emotional' driven laws which serve to protect the weak from the strong. Protecting the weak from the strong goes against Darwinian logic. But there you have it - we humans are emotional. What's wrong with having 'sacred cows'?

[Lordo]

This is unbelievable! Greek Cypriots pandering to the whims of the Turkic tribe! In WWII, you people would have been marked out for when the countries were liberated, then you would have been taken through the streets on a cart, while everyone jeered and threw rotten vegetables at you. Then you would have had all your hair cut off - in Ireland, you would have had tar poured over your heads and then had chicken feathers thrown over you. You would then have been run out of the city and everyone could have hated you. You are lucky you live in a civilised, Greek society.

Have you found the details of the Plan yet? When you have then look for the same name plan but Two and then Three. Then you will see what the plans were for what they were going to do to the TCs if Turkey invaded.

You are really not trying. You must try harder. The truth is not easy find. You have to find it.

Then you will realise what a maniac Makarios was with his plans to achieve enosis.

[Lordo]

Lordo...No, it's not on the internet. I looked and looked but couldn't find anything. Please can you help me with your Wikipedia-knowledge?

I will give you some clues. FInd out what the 10,000 Greek Soldiers were doing in Cyprus. You will find their role mentioned in the said plan.

But be aware of the Mongols, they will eat you alive.

It looks like turkish propaganda has messed up your mind for good.

The deployment of the 10.000 Greek Soldiers was decided in 1964 by Makarios and the then government of Greece (G. Papandreou the grand father) just after the bombing of Tylliria by Turkey, in order to defend Cyprus against a possible turkish invasion, or, rather, in order to deter Turkey from even thinking to invade.
Under Aphrodite one, in case of an invasion this force would not deal with the Turkish Cypriot militants or with the enclaves but it would be used ONLY against invading turkish troops. As I said above, this force was withdrawn from Cyprus by the Greek junta in 1967.

Samson had nothing to do with Cyprus politics till 1974. He was just a news paper publisher and nothing more than that. Only during the initial clashes of 1963-1964 he formed his own paramilitary force of volunteers which fought to contain the TMT in Omorfita and Kaimakli districts. His force together with the similar force which had been formed by Lyssarides during the same period and for the same purpose, stood down and were disarmed as soon as the National Guard was formed in 1964.

You must have a copy of the plans. Can you post them to see what plans they had for the TCs all over Cyprus. I am sure it would be appreciated by all. All three plans if you don't mind.

[Mapko]

Lordo...I haven't looked because I don't want to know about them. I know how the Northern Turkics were treated - by my family. I know there was tit-for-tat fightings and killings - but that happens anywhere and everwhere. I know the real feelings of the Northern Turkics to their Mongol rulers and how, when in coffee shops you would speak Turkic to each other, but when a mainlander would enter you would speak Greek to each other! I also know how you ran roughshod over many Greek Cypriots when your rulers came to help you because a force had arrived - but how do you think you would have been treated if that fat Zion c*nt Kissinger hadn't stopped the Hellenic Navy from helping?

You call Makarios a maniac. Let me put this into perspective for you. Do you have a family, Lordo? Do you have a wife? Do you have children? Do you have a house? Would you do whatever you could to protect them? I bet if your family were at risk there is nothing - and I mean nothing - you wouldn't do to protect them. The Greek Cypriots were Makarios' family and Cyprus was Makarios' home. He did everything he could to protect what was his and I think he should be sainted. There should be a Makarios Day when everyone should laud this great man and remember what he did - and tried to do - for us.