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[Pyrpolizer]

But, EOKA defeated Great Britain and therefore how could, if I may ask, Britain blackmailed Makarios with partition? Shouldn't it have been the other way? The victorious EOKA blackmailing the Brits to get a chunk of Devon, perhaps?

Pyrpoliser, I agree with you. These jokers, whom we still glorify, destroyed Cyprus.

What most people like to forget was that the Eoka struggle was for freedom AND Enosis.
When people don't know or chose to ignore the true facts, they are driven like sheep Bananiot. It started with Napoleon "the Great".

[Viewpoint]

But, EOKA defeated Great Britain and therefore how could, if I may ask, Britain blackmailed Makarios with partition? Shouldn't it have been the other way? The victorious EOKA blackmailing the Brits to get a chunk of Devon, perhaps?

Pyrpoliser, I agree with you. These jokers, whom we still glorify, destroyed Cyprus.

What most people like to forget was that the Eoka struggle was for freedom AND Enosis.
When people don't know or chose to ignore the true facts, they are driven like sheep Bananiot. It started with Napoleon "the Great".

Respect.

[Viewpoint]

SKI-preo: You f*cking heretic! You play into the hands of the Mongols by printing this Zionist rubbish. Why would you even think about starting this topic off?

Viewpoint: Do you not believe that EVERYONE is inherently racist? Do you not think that Turks are superior to Greeks (now I know that you want to type 'Yes' to that question, but you'll be labelled racist by your own comments - oh, dear, dilemma, dilemma)?
Just labelling someone 'racist' has come to mean nothing because it's been too overly-used by the PC-brigade and so anyone who has different cultural views from what the apologists state is a racist.
I am racist. You are racist. Jews believe they are the chosen people so they are all racist. Czechs think they are better than Poles so they are racist. Americans think they are better than Canadians so they are racist. Australians think they are better than New Zealanders so they are racist. The Mongols think they are better than dogs so they are racist. Racism is a word that means nothing and is only to be feared in a workplace.

F-----g racist, typical mentality trying to excuse and blame others.

[GreekIslandGirl]

The British preferred enosis of Cyprus with Greece as a solution -they agreed with Makarios. But it was the USA who blackmailed Britain into drawing up the unworkable Constitution - unworkable for the Greeks and the British (who wanted out of the guarantee treaties "before the ink was dry"), but 'workable' for the USA and Turkey.

first time I hear such a thing. Any links?

There's an analysis of various documents which William Mallinson obtained using the Freedom of Information Act in his newish book*. I have to retype various passages which have the essence of what I'm saying; but the book makes sense of a lot ...

From what I gather, it's well documented that Britain considered ceding Cyprus to Greece for enosis a couple of times in the first half of the last century (since they believed this would be inevitable after Crete and the Ionian islands). [This might have been influenced, anyway, by Churchill-Stalin agreeing that Greece would be 90% British.]

From Mallinson: On 13th September 1945, MP, Noel-Baker, wrote:

"I believe each of the 10 measures I propose, including the return of Cyprus to Greece, will at some stage become a matter of necessity;"

(NB The British view was of a "return of Cyprus to Greece".)

He continued:

"The return of Cyprus to Greece:
There is no doubt that the population of Cyprus ardently desire to rejoin Greece, and that feeling is beginning to run high."


NB No objections were raised to ceding Cyprus to Greece.

- But the USA couldn't allow Turkey to go to war (inevitable) with Greece over this and leave its NATO stronghold weakened.

Will type out more snippets when I can unless someone can access the whole thing online.

* William Mallinson, (2011), "Britain and Cyprus: Key Themes and Documents Since World War II"

P.S. I'm going to type out these snippets of documents which aren't generally available on the internet into Kimon's thread on the Kew Garden release of papers.

[kimon07]

So what? It is all past history now. Nothing better to discuss?

Hi Deniz. Yes, past history. But what if its true? Doesn't it mean that Makarios was a hostage to the Brits for life? What else did he do for them additionally to signing the Zurich-London agreemnts in order to protect his reputation and safeguard his leading position?

[Mapko]

Pyrpolizer...I think Papadopoulos was a great man (look at what he achieved in his life and he sided with the correct people - EOKA and then Makarios). The unfortunate thing for Cyprus was he lost out to blobby Christofias 'The Turk Lover'. Yes, Papadopoulos was against the plan - and so were the illegal politicians in the north - but it was the people who voted against it, not Tassos! Why should Greek Cypriots (the majority) make concessions to the minority for what is rightfully and legally theirs? The flag was going to be crap, too!!

Viewpoint...you weren't very conciliatory (a bit like your illegal government). You are racist yourself. Do you understand the term 'racist' or do you think it's just a word you can level at others to make yourself feel 'mightier and holier than thou'? Racism is the belief that you are superior to someone else because of your race or beliefs. Do you believe you are better than a Greek or are you on a similar level or even subordinate to them? I will ask you again - are you racist?

[Lordo]

Mapko give it a rest will you. Since when has a person become a racist if he prefers not to live with GCs in the same area especially after the problems we have had in the 60s and 70s. I suspect you have no idea what 60s and 70s were like for the TCs. Learn about it first will you.

As to TPapa, he will go down in history for negotiatying a deal and not reccomending it. For that stupidity the price you paid is 37.5% of Cyprus.

One day maybe a hundred years from now we may be able to but for now I am afraid Annan plan was the best you could have had but I am afraid it was refused, so you are getting bugger all back.

[kimon07]

Mapko give it a rest will you. Since when has a person become a racist if he prefers not to live with GCs in the same area especially after the problems we have had in the 60s and 70s. I suspect you have no idea what 60s and 70s were like for the TCs. Learn about it first will you.

As to TPapa, he will go down in history for negotiatying a deal and not reccomending it. For that stupidity the price you paid is 37.5% of Cyprus.

One day maybe a hundred years from now we may be able to but for now I am afraid Annan plan was the best you could have had but I am afraid it was refused, so you are getting bugger all back.

Well, well. Welcome back from Mars. Evidently you didn't have the chance yet to learn about Cyprus becoming a full EU member? And having discovered unlimited wealth in its EEZ? And being ready to take over the EU presidency July 1st?? And preparing to be the link and major supplier of electricity and natural gas to Eurp\e? And all that thanks to T Papadopoulos and the rest of us GCs (and many TCs) who voted against the Annan Plan? And who managed to become an EU member contrary to the reacvtions and the trheats and the blackmails of your Mama? Well my friend, there is a lot you have to learn about Cyprus now that your back from your long jurney to outer space.

P.S. Tell you what. Let's wait and see for how long more your Mama will be able to hold on to the 37.5%. And for how long more the TCs will cope with that.

[Lordo]

Mapko give it a rest will you. Since when has a person become a racist if he prefers not to live with GCs in the same area especially after the problems we have had in the 60s and 70s. I suspect you have no idea what 60s and 70s were like for the TCs. Learn about it first will you.

As to TPapa, he will go down in history for negotiatying a deal and not reccomending it. For that stupidity the price you paid is 37.5% of Cyprus.

One day maybe a hundred years from now we may be able to but for now I am afraid Annan plan was the best you could have had but I am afraid it was refused, so you are getting bugger all back.

Well, well. Welcome back from Mars. Evidently you didn't have the chance yet to learn about Cyprus becoming a full EU member? And having discovered unlimited wealth in its EEZ? And being ready to take over the EU presidency July 1st?? And preparing to be the link and major supplier of electricity and natural gas to Eurp\e? And all that thanks to T Papadopoulos and the rest of us GCs (and many TCs) who voted against the Annan Plan? And who managed to become an EU member contrary to the reacvtions and the trheats and the blackmails of your Mama? Well my friend, there is a lot you have to learn about Cyprus now that your back from your long jurney to outer space.

P.S. Tell you what. Let's wait and see for how long more your Mama will be able to hold on to the 37.5%. And for how long more the TCs will cope with that.

I see nothing has changed in 47 years. Somebody else will save your skin. Sure they will. Let's get the gas out of the ground first. There is an old saying. Never count the chickens before they are hatched. Usual dangers.

I may well be from Mars but you must be from Uranus.

[Mapko]

Lordo...[sigh] You need to read all posts if you are going to comment and not just the last one as it makes you look foolish. Viewpoint called me racist and that's why I posted what I did - not because he doesn't want to live with Greeks - though, ironically, what you have posted there, according to Viewpoint, makes him and you both racist. Oh, dear, did you mean to do that? Oh, well.

No, I don't know what it was like for Turks in Cyprus - in general - in those years. What I do know is how they were treated by my granddad on his farm - he employed a few - and the rest of his family; also, how my uncle treated them - he started a small clinic, then had a huge one built in Larnaka. The rest of my family, in Cyprus, I don't know - I assume they had nothing against the Turks from the island, but your heroes from the mainland are something different.

Hmm...blaming Papadopoulos for losing 37.5% of the island is grossly when 30 years previously was when it was stolen. Then again, who am I to argue with the might of the Turkic-Mongol propaganda machine?

Hahaha, in 100 years' time, the Turkic people of the north will have died out. There will be no water for you; there will be no food for you; there will be no gas for you. You will have pleaded for your lives, but the Mongols from the mainland will have forsaken you and you will all remember 1974 as the worst day in your lives.