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Postby Nikiforos » Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:09 am

Viewpoint wrote:The army has in effect worked as deterrant for any further attempts at using force to try and solve matters which imo would have meant the loss of manymore innocent Cypriot lives. Is this what you would have preferred??


Why is it that ONLY Turkish troops can act as a deterrent on Cyprus? An international peacekeeping force would have the same effect. Most GCs know it would be suicide to attempt a military adventure.

As to direct trade, the TRNC is an ILLEGAL entity. It is a breakaway part of the RoC. If Kurds seize a region of Turkey and demand direct trade with the outside world, would Turks be in favor of this?
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:16 am

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Viewpoint wrote:The army has in effect worked as deterrant for any further attempts at using force to try and solve matters which imo would have meant the loss of manymore innocent Cypriot lives. Is this what you would have preferred??


Why is it that ONLY Turkish troops can act as a deterrent on Cyprus? An international peacekeeping force would have the same effect. Most GCs know it would be suicide to attempt a military adventure.

As to direct trade, the TRNC is an ILLEGAL entity. It is a breakaway part of the RoC. If Kurds seize a region of Turkey and demand direct trade with the outside world, would Turks be in favor of this?


International peace keeping force as you mention are unable to act swiftly in times of conflict, this has been proven many times all over the world for example the UN forces in 1974. We do not trust them to resolve any conflict. Add to this the risk GCs expertise in tying international knots that would in effect not allow any intervention from any designated peace keeping force be it UN EU etc..

Direct trade, if the kurds had our history and international agreements to a partnership in the Republic of Turkey and displayed a desire to breakaway from Turkish rule I would definately allow them direct trade.
You have to realize that for the TC economy to streangthen and come to GC levels which was another bone of contention for GCs during the referendum "why do we have to pay for them mentality" we have to find ways of stimulating trade with the outside world I personally have no problems by doing this over the greenline but again the will from both sides is not evident and due to the lack of dialogue this is appears to be a non starter.

May I ask you a question?
Do you want us to move away from Turkey and closer to GC south?
How do we do this?
We are dependent on Turkey financially.
Do you want us to be more independent of Turkey?
Do you want us to take decisions without Turkey?
Then what do we do?

TCs have to gain economic independence, any suggestions?

Now hopefully you see why we need direct trade, namely flights to boost the economy and move closer to the south. So in fact GC have to help us to help them, if they really desire a solution.
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Postby garbitsch » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:04 pm

View Point, their biggest aim is to absorb and digest the Turkish Cypriots into their own republic. They have already had such a strong economy and they do not let any place for Turkish Cypriots to gain some economic power. And when we unify with them, they will all use us as cheap labourers (as they are doing now) and they will justify such action by using the so-called "Cypriotness", i.e. they will claim that there is no discrimination since we are all Cypriots. And since this will be an implicit appartheid with no "ethnic" discrimination (we are all Cypriots), the Turkish Cypriots won't be able to seek for their rights at the EU level... That's what bothers me. And this is also true politically. And please guys stop giving examples of Kurds in Turkey. Although they are 20%, half of the parliament is of Kurdish origin and the richest person in Turkey "Mehmet Emin Karamehmet" is actually a Kurd. The whole textile industry is in the hands of Kurds. There is no discrimination on the basis of ethnicity in Turkey. But there will be in Cyprus, after all both sides are foreign to each other and both sides will not sincere to each other. And in this case, the numerically less populated community of Cyprus (TC) will be the most vulnerable.
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Postby Main_Source » Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:48 pm

And in this case, the numerically less populated community of Cyprus (TC) will be the most vulnerable.


lol...excuse me, are you saying there are more Maronites than TC in Cyprus?..and I didnt see Maronites trying to unify with Greece...but Turkey still prevents them from going home.
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Postby Main_Source » Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:17 pm

Answer?

Remember that the Maronite population is tiny compared to the TC (who love to think of themsleves as the tiny victim who were saved by Turkey)...but I havent heard any real complaints with there current situation...and they have had there homes stolen too.
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Postby garbitsch » Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:36 pm

lol...excuse me, are you saying there are more Maronites than TC in Cyprus?..and I didnt see Maronites trying to unify with Greece...but Turkey still prevents them from going home.


Basically Maronites and Armenians have more symapthy in the eyes of Greek Cypriots than Turkish Cypriots. They wouldn't be vulnerable in that sense.
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Postby garbitsch » Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:38 pm

Main_Source wrote:Answer?

Remember that the Maronite population is tiny compared to the TC (who love to think of themsleves as the tiny victim who were saved by Turkey)...but I havent heard any real complaints with there current situation...and they have had there homes stolen too.


Because Cyprus has two main communities with three minorities. Any solution will come as a result of compromise between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots not between Greek Cypriots and Maronites. This was the case in 1960 and will be the case in the future.
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Postby Main_Source » Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:43 pm

So you are totally disregarding the Maronites and the Armenians as a communities in Cyprus...yet you are worried that in a united Cyprus, the same thing will happen to you lol.
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Postby garbitsch » Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:56 pm

The Maronites and Armenians chose to be members of the Greek Cypriot Community in Cyprus. Am I wrong?
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Postby Main_Source » Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:57 pm

No, they chose to live in the legitimate and free Republic of Cyprus. It's Turkey who calls 'South Cyprus' the Greek Cypriot part.

Just because they decided to live in the free areas, it does not mean that they denounced their ethnicity.

Its people like you and VP (sorry to put you in the same group as him...you must be pissed) who likes to belive you are the small minority in Cyprus because you want the world to feel sorry for you and show how the Greek Cypriots attack the smaller minorities.

When at the end of the day...its a fact that Turkey has a terrible record with regards to how they treat ethnic minorities.
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