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[newgeneration]

After more than 50 years, will Cyprus will ever truly be reconciled?

If so, on what terms do you see this occurring? (ie: distribution of land and ruling government)

Also, how do you see it coming about? (ie: through EU ascension, UN talks, etc)

[kimon07]

After more than 50 years, will Cyprus will ever truly be reconciled?

If so, on what terms do you see this occurring? (ie: distribution of land and ruling government)

Also, how do you see it coming about? ..........

1. Immediate implementation of the existing UN resolutions (Anatolian army out, Anatolian settlers out, refugees back to their homes etc, etc).

2. A new-modern democratic constitution, compatible with the EU acquis, which will be establishing the "United States of Cyprus" (just like the USA).

3. The defence of Cyprus and it's resources to be assigned to an EU Force (a division strong) half of it stationed in one of the present British bases and the other half in the North.

[Bananiot]

Not possible newgeneration. We missed the chance in 2003-2004. Now we are looking at partition straight in the eyes, with the blessing of the International institutions that include the UN and EU. This is what happens when you believe the lies that the anti solution, "pariotic" part of Cyprus served to the people. One of the biggest lies of the period was the assertion that the bad Brits wanted our EEZ. People in this forum (Kimon) still believe in this myth.

[Piratis]

If we had accepted the Annan plan the north part of Cyprus would be now officially a Turkish state with our singuture. No chance of liberation was lost since no such chance was ever given.

The only lie was that the Annan plan would supposdedly unify Cyprus, when in reality it would have legalized partition, ethnic cleansing and the Turkification of the north part of our island.

[Bananiot]

No Piratis, what you are saying is just excuses for your wrong evaluation of events in 2003 and the decisions you made back then which brought about partition of Cyprus. To make this possible you told many myths, like the lie about the EEZ which supposedly would have gone to Britain. Lies, all lies. to avert any possibility of solution and peaceful co existence between Greek-speaking and Turkish-speaking Cypriots.

[Piratis]

I never said a single lie and my evaluation was never wrong. Is it a lie that if we had accepted the Annan plan that the north part of Cyprus would officially become a Turkish State?

What brought the de facto parition was the Turkish invasion. The Annan plan would have brought the de jure partition, but fortunately we were able to prevent this from happening. If the Turks insist on partition then they should know this partition will be an illegal one which will cost them. We are not going to make it easy for them to steal our lands.

I am not interested in peace if such peace will come with our surrender to the Turkish invaders. Peace is good, but there are things that are worth fighting for, such as freedom, human rights and democracy.

By the way, following some links starting with an article about the French Elections, I ended up reading about the Vichy Regime in France. This regime was formed after Germany won the war against the French, and some French politicians did what was "reasonable" and "feasible" under the circumstances and made peace and collaborated with the Nazis, accepting and enforcing their racist practices. Do you know what happened to the leaders of this Regime after France was liberated?

[GreekIslandGirl]

The Annan Plan would not only have removed the mistakes the British made in drawing up the 1960 constitution, which did not fully serve their interests (revealed under scrutiny much later), but it would also have nullified the fact the original inclusion of Turkey was illegal under the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne.

All previous mistakes (which did not fully serve the interests of Britain AND Turkey) made when hurriedly constructingt the Constitution would have been corrected and sealed as law by the Annan Plan to the exclusive benefit of Britain and Turkey.

[Bananiot]

Piratis, stop making threats and if you want to talk about Marshal Petain, shed your anonimity and I will be happy to accommodate you.

[kimon07]

I never said a single lie .....

Don't bother with him. The fellow is on a mission. He keeps repeating the same lies and he keeps forging and twisting historical facts (the way good AKELIST - Stalinist would be expected to do) regardless of how many times evidences are produced proving that he is liying.

Remember him saying that in 1957 the British knew were Grivas was hiding but they did not arrest him so as to use the "threat" of his arrest as a baraginning card?

Or that Lennox Boyd came to Cyprus in 1956 to sign the agreement which allegedly had had been reached between Makarios and Harding, but Grivas chased him away by planting 20-30 bombs?

The man is re-writing history as dictated. Ignore him. The dream of the likes of him was that Cyprus would accept the Annan plan and become a Turko-British protectorate, with no national identity whatsoever, just as his bosses had planed. Thanks again to the EOKA man, Tassos Papadopoulos and the 75% majority of the Greek Cypriots, (as well as the majority of the indigenous Turkish Cypriots as I have analysed some months ago) that did not happen. Now his bosses and his beloved President are trying to revive the stinking corpse of that monster plan. Pray they will not succeed.

[Bananiot]

Kimon, you are not just a fascist but a liar too. I never said 1957 but 1959 since the talks at Lancaster House were held then and the Brits obviously had something under their sleeve to force Makarios to agree. Perhaps you think it had something to do with Makarios being a krypto homosexual as it was suggested in another thread and for which you did not ask for evidence. The story about 1956 is well documented and obviously you did not bother to read "My Deposition" written by another stalinist, paid by the enemy, that goes by the name of Glafkos Klerides.