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[newgeneration]

Please take the time to read the following. It is lengthy, but offers an alternative view to the Greek Cypriot extremist views that are strongly expressed on this forum.

The source is The Select Committee of Foreign Affairs, UK House of Commons website, www.parliament.uk.

The author of this written evidence is Michael Stephen LL.M. is a Barrister and international lawyer and was a member of the UK Parliament 1992-97. He held a Harkness Fellowship in International Law at Stanford and Harvard, and was Assistant Legal Adviser to the UK Ambassador to the UN for the 25th General Assembly. He is the author of "The Cyprus Question." (London, July 2001).

In it, he cites many reliable sources such as British newspaper reports of the time, and direct quotes from Makarios and Sampson (the former leader of EOKA who, incredibly, went on to lead the Cyprus goverment).

The link is as follows. Please take the time to read it in full.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 13we45.htm

Below I have copied some passages that I think particularly relevant to today's ongoing problem ...

'It is necessary to know what happened in Cyprus between the foundation of the Republic in 1960 and the Turkish intervention in 1974, not for historical interest but in order to determine whether the political status of the Greek Cypriot Administration today, and its acceptance by the world is justified. If the Turkish Cypriots had simply withdrawn from the institutions of the Republic in 1964 with no reasonable excuse, and if the Turkish army had invaded in 1974 without any legal right or humanitarian justification, then perhaps the world would be right to treat the Greek Cypriot Administration as if it were the Government of Cyprus. The truth of the matter is however very different.

This is an important question, because the ability of the Greek Cypriot Administration to enforce an embargo on Turkish Cypriot trade, sport, and communications derives from their acceptance by other countries and institutions as if they were the lawful government of all Cyprus'.

It is for the reasons cited here that I believe TC's should also be compensated for having to live under International embargo for all these years, in addition to ALL Cypriots being compensated for the loss of their lands and properties, and the use of them where they HAVE NOT accepted alternative land in its place.


'The most remarkable feature of the Cyprus question is the extent to which the Greek Cypriots have been able to repudiate solemn international agreements[110] and violate the human rights of the Turkish Cypriots on a massive scale and yet by a quite astonishing feat of public relations, have secured for themselves acceptance as the government of all Cyprus and have persuaded the world that they, and not the Turkish Cypriots, are the injured party. The consequence of this is that they have been able to extract one-sided resolutions from the United Nations and other international organisations, and have been able to secure court judgments which have been immensely damaging to the Turkish Cypriots and have placed the Turkish Cypriots under a crippling embargo on their international trade and communications.

'For more than 40 years the Turkish Cypriots and their government have been faced with one of the hardest tasks in the whole range of international affairs—how to get the world to change its mind after it has got hold of the wrong end of the stick and clung to it year after year.
The Greek Cypriots claim that the Cyprus problem was caused by the landing of Turkish troops in 1974 and that if only they would withdraw, the problem would be solved. This is a serious misconception, for the landing of Turkish troops was the consequence, not the cause, of the problem. Moreover, there were in fact two military actions in 1974; the first was by Greece and the Greek Cypriots, which caused the second by Turkey.'

THIS is a true representation of recent history.


'In a speech on 4 September 1962, at Panayia, Makarios said "Until this Turkish community forming part of the Turkish race which has been the terrible enemy of Hellenism is expelled, the duty of the heroes of EOKA[113] can never be considered as terminated." It would be difficult to imagine a more vindictive, racist, policy than this. It is also a Greek expansionist policy—the very charge which the Greek Cypriots laid against Turkey when Turkey intervened twelve years later to put an end to it.
George Ball[114] quotes Adlai Stevenson as saying that Makarios, was "a wicked, unreliable conniver, who concealed his venality under the sanctimonious vestments of a religious leader" and comments that "In the years I had known Adlai I had never heard him speak of anyone with such vitriol." '

I am stunned that there are GC people out there who still support Makarios. Has no one here heard of the Knights Templar? The Church, throughout history, has used its power over the people to condone some terrible deeds. Below please find several exerpts from the International press at the time.


'At Christmas 1963 the Greek Cypriot militia attacked Turkish Cypriot communities across the island, and very many men, women, and children were killed. 270 of their mosques, shrines and other places of worship were desecrated.
On 28 December 1963 the Daily Express carried the following report from Cyprus: "We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish Cypriot Quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people had been slaughtered in the last five days. We were the first Western reporters there and we have seen sights too frightful to be described in print. Horror so extreme that the people seemed stunned beyond tears."
On 31 December 1963 The Guardian reported: "It is nonsense to claim, as the Greek Cypriots do, that all casualties were caused by fighting between armed men of both sides. On Christmas Eve many Turkish Cypriot people were brutally attacked and murdered in their suburban homes, including the wife and children of a doctor—allegedly by a group of forty men, many in army boots and greatcoats." Although the Turkish Cypriots fought back as best they could, and killed some militia, there were no massacres of Greek Cypriot civilians.
On 1 January 1964 the Daily Herald reported: "When I came across the Turkish Cypriot homes they were an appalling sight. Apart from the walls they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm attack could have created more devastation. Under roofs which had caved in I found a twisted mass of bed springs, children's cots, and grey ashes of what had once been tables, chairs and wardrobes. In the neighbouring village of Ayios Vassilios I counted 16 wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot. In neither village did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house."
On 2 January 1964 the Daily Telegraph wrote "The Greek Cypriot community should not assume that the British military presence can or should secure them against Turkish intervention if they persecute the Turkish Cypriots. We must not be a shelter for double-crossers." Britain did not however make any serious attempt to stop the Greek Cypriots.
On 12 January 1964 the British High Commission in Nicosia wrote to London[118] "The Greek (Cypriot) police are led by extremists who provoked the fighting and deliberately engaged in atrocities. They have recruited into their ranks as "special constables" gun-happy young thugs. They threaten to try and punish any Turkish Cypriot police who wish to return to the Cyprus Government. . . . . . . . Makarios assured us there will be no attack. His assurance is as worthless as previous assurances have proved."
The British Government noted[119] that George Ball "thought that Makarios' aim was to get the Cyprus problem into the UN orbit where the slogan of self-determination, supported by the communist bloc and the neutralists, could exert pressure towards the establishment of an independent unitary state, where he could do what he liked with the Turkish Cypriots."
On 14 January 1964 the Daily Telegraph reported that the Turkish Cypriot inhabitants of Ayios Vassilios had been massacred on 26 December 1963, and reported their exhumation from a mass grave in the presence of the Red Cross. A further massacre of Turkish Cypriots, at Limassol, was reported by The Observer on 16 February 1964, and there were many more. On 17 February 1964 the Washington Post reported that "Greek Cypriot fanatics appear bent on a policy of genocide." The Greek Cypriot Minister of the Interior admitted[120] that he had controlled the attack in Limassol himself.

The remainder of the written evidence by Michael Stephen in his full report gives a full and comprehensive account. It is well worth reading in full.

[kurupetos]

Michael Stephen?

Read here: cyprus33452-10.html?hilit=Michael%20Stephen#p658993

[newgeneration]

You direct me to a link where another forum member has previously tried to discredit this source. How predictable.

And how is this forum members' rant a credible source?

[kurupetos]

You direct me to a link where another forum member has previously tried to discredit this source. How predictable.

And how is this forum members' rant a credible source?

Are you him then? We haven't missed you birk.

[newgeneration]

You've avoided my question.

The constant conspiracy theory that I am a previous forum member in disguise is getting really boring ... can you not request this info from the moderators or admin people on the site for verification on this? You do all seem to be in regular correspondance with all the reporting of my posts that it going on!

[newgeneration]

Are there any forum members out there who can present a viable arguement to my post (citing reliable sources of course, as I have been requested to do by you), or are we all in agreement that it is a truthful and fair account?

[tsukoui]

I cannot provide sources... I am only a humble Cypriot... a weak servant... but it is of my opinion that you are barking up the same wrong tree as the rest of those on this forum... the reason Cyprus is divided is to stop it becoming communist... no one seems to want to pursue this narrative...

[B25]

You direct me to a link where another forum member has previously tried to discredit this source. How predictable.

And how is this forum members' rant a credible source?

We do not need to regurgitate here, whats been discredited has and since you 'claim' to be new here, this says it all:

Michael Stephen - a former Tory MP, carpetbagger and paid propagandist of the illegal regime

Probably on turkeys payroll as well and a number of UK polticians, not forgetting the famous dog faced C**t Blair.

[newgeneration]

Re writing in big red letters does not validate an opinion that does not have any credible source.

Proof that what you say is true anyone? ...

Even UK Government sources are discredited. TC ad Turkish Mainland Government sources we know are also discredited. So that leaves us only with GC sources that are viewed as credible in your opinion. I think it's fair to say only GC's can win this arguement if those are the rules.

I need some time out from the dellusional souls on here!

[B25]

bye bye. Go look up a few more arguements from your propogandists and then come back and enlighten us some more.

Like I said, you came on here lying and scheming and now you want people to take you seriously??? Pft!