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[Piratis]

newgeneration, Cyprus had to fight against both the Turks and the British to liberate itself. So it is hardly convincing when you present Turkish and British propaganda as supposedly "facts".

The reason why Cyprus is Divided is simple: This is what suited the geopolitical interests of Britian and Turkey, who wanted (and continue to want) to maintain troops and control over our island.

The Turkish minority in Cyprus was merely used as an excuse by the above mentioned Imperialists to get what they wanted from our island. They did this by promising to the Turkish minority privileges and gains on the expense of every other Cypriot. We have many other minorities in Cyprus and we live in peace with them as equal Cypriots without any problems. The TCs could be just like every other minority in Cyprus (and like every other minority in general) and there would be no conflicts or problems with them either.

The Turkish propagandists claim that the Cyprus Problem didn't start in 1974 and they try to excuse the Turkish invasion with events that took place a whole decade earlier. What those propagandists "forget" is that the Cyprus problem didn't start in 1963 either. The conflict between GCs and TCs started in the 50s, when TCs burned down GC homes and shops and committed massacres against innocent GCs.

It should come to no surprise that when attacked and when having their democratic rights taken away the GCs would react and fight back. Who wouldn't? Would the Turks in Turkey tolerate any minority if it attacked them and demanded to have privileges and gains on the expense of the majority of the population? Of course not. Neither the Turks nor any other nation would ever accept that. Ethnic minorities are entitled to their human and democratic rights, and maybe some additional minority rights, but have no right to commit terrorist attacks against the majority and demand undemocratic privileges and gains on the expense of everybody else. (Here is should be noted that Turkey doesn't even give what it should to its own minorities)

Therefore the "Why is Cyprus divided" and how "How Cyprus can be unified" are questions that can be given the same answer: Cyprus was divided because Britain and Turkey promised to the TC minority privileges and gains on the expense of every other Cypriot and they armed them so they could pursue this goal. Cyprus will be unified only when these Imperialists stop supporting the division of Cyprus for their own interests, and allow the TC minority to be intergraded into the Cypriot population like is the case with all other minorities in Cyprus and all other minorities in all other successful multi-ethnic democracies in the world.

[newgeneration]

Agree with some of your statement and not with other parts Piratis.

Can you point me to evidence, photographs, press reports, UN reports etc of the following: -

The conflict between GCs and TCs started in the 50s, when TCs burned down GC homes and shops and committed massacres against innocent GCs.

[Piratis]

I have already done this on many occasions, last of which was a reply to you a few days ago here:
cyprus37650-10.html#p713507

In the 50s GCs were fighting against the British Colonialists, not against the TCs. The British initially tried to cause a conflict between the two communities by hiring TC Auxiliary forces to fight against GCs. When this didn't work out as well as planned, the British enlisted the support of Turkey which was glad to help them by arousing the TCs with broadcast, newspaper articles and the creation of the TMT, with an aim to attack GCs and cause an inter-communal conflict, something which would destruct the GCs from their struggle against the colonialists and which could be used as an excuse to deny to Cypriots the right to freely and democratically decide about their own island.

The TCs were merely the pawns that UK and Turkey used to achieve their aims in Cyprus and this continues to be the case today. The GCs and most TCs gain nothing from the conflict, and they will never gain anything as the GCs will never agree to any undemocratic and racist terms. Who gains are Turkey and the UK who take advantage of the conflict to maintain troops and control in Cyprus. This is no coincidence.

[Viewpoint]

Pit you conveniently forget why we sided with the Brits and dont automatically wade in with unproportionate advantages, we had to fight for survival against turning the island into Greece therefore signing our own death warrant.

Physical division occurred and is here to stay, nothing you can do to change that other than start another war and even then you run the danger of losing the whole island or god forbid you wise up and understand that without taking moves to win over the TCs you will never unite this island.

[loyalcypriot10]

Both the TCs and GCs are being used as pawns . Surely , the time has come to be just Cypriots in a federal state.

[kimon07]

..........Can you point me to evidence, photographs, press reports, UN reports etc of the following: -

The conflict between GCs and TCs started in the 50s, when TCs burned down GC homes and shops and committed massacres against innocent GCs.

"The handy excuse used by Turkey to further her aim of partition was the "oppression" of the Turkish Cypriot minority by the Greek Cypriot majority.

Denktash himself, in an interview to the London "Times" (1.20.78) admits that he had organized the TMT saying:
"I had to create the TMT with some friends in order to coordinate those individuals who were going around doing things."
"I had set up the TMT with a few friends...Everybody thought that I was the leader, but I was not. I was political advisor. Immediately after forming it I handed it over... The leaders were former army officers from Turkey."

Emin Dirvana, then Turkish Ambassador to Cyprus, explains what Denktash means, in an article in "Milliyet" (5.15.64)

"...I was informed that on the 7th of June, 1958, a bomb had been planted in the Turkish Press Office in Nicosia by persons who, as was established later, had nothing to do with the Greek Cypriots. The Turks of Nicosia were then incited (...) and perpetrated acts similar to those committed on the 6th and the 7th of September, 1955 in Istanbul."

In an interview given by Denktash to the British television channel ITV for the programme "Cyprus: Britain's Grim Legacy", he said:

"There was an explosion at the information bureau of the Turkish Consulate. A crowd had already gathered there, a crowd of the Turkish Cypriot community. And they almost immediately decided that Greeks had done it and they were swearing vengeance against the Greeks and so on." "The explosion started a night of riots in Nicosia. Turkish Cypriots burned and looted Greek shops and homes. Soon came counter-attacks and the fighting spread round the island. Later on, a friend of mine, whose name must still be kept secret, was to confess to me that he had put this little bomb in their doorway in order to create an atmosphere of tension so that people would know that Turkish Cypriots mattered."
The climax of the "holy indignation" which Ambassador Dirvana refers to, was the massacre of eight Greek Cypriots and the serious wounding of five, near the village of Geunyeli on 12th June 1958, five days after the explosion.

http://www.middleeastinfo.org/forum/ind ... topic=7947

http://www.hr-action.org/chr/Tpolicy.html

[bill cobbett]

..........Can you point me to evidence, photographs, press reports, UN reports etc of the following: -

The conflict between GCs and TCs started in the 50s, when TCs burned down GC homes and shops and committed massacres against innocent GCs.

"The handy excuse used by Turkey to further her aim of partition was the "oppression" of the Turkish Cypriot minority by the Greek Cypriot majority.

Denktash himself, in an interview to the London "Times" (1.20.78) admits that he had organized the TMT saying:
"I had to create the TMT with some friends in order to coordinate those individuals who were going around doing things."
"I had set up the TMT with a few friends...Everybody thought that I was the leader, but I was not. I was political advisor. Immediately after forming it I handed it over... The leaders were former army officers from Turkey."

Emin Dirvana, then Turkish Ambassador to Cyprus, explains what Denktash means, in an article in "Milliyet" (5.15.64)

"...I was informed that on the 7th of June, 1958, a bomb had been planted in the Turkish Press Office in Nicosia by persons who, as was established later, had nothing to do with the Greek Cypriots. The Turks of Nicosia were then incited (...) and perpetrated acts similar to those committed on the 6th and the 7th of September, 1955 in Istanbul."

In an interview given by Denktash to the British television channel ITV for the programme "Cyprus: Britain's Grim Legacy", he said:

"There was an explosion at the information bureau of the Turkish Consulate. A crowd had already gathered there, a crowd of the Turkish Cypriot community. And they almost immediately decided that Greeks had done it and they were swearing vengeance against the Greeks and so on." "The explosion started a night of riots in Nicosia. Turkish Cypriots burned and looted Greek shops and homes. Soon came counter-attacks and the fighting spread round the island. Later on, a friend of mine, whose name must still be kept secret, was to confess to me that he had put this little bomb in their doorway in order to create an atmosphere of tension so that people would know that Turkish Cypriots mattered."
The climax of the "holy indignation" which Ambassador Dirvana refers to, was the massacre of eight Greek Cypriots and the serious wounding of five, near the village of Geunyeli on 12th June 1958, five days after the explosion.

http://www.middleeastinfo.org/forum/ind ... topic=7947

http://www.hr-action.org/chr/Tpolicy.html

If may Kimon can we add the video of the Rough Donkeytosh Confession as to his "friend" planting the bomb at the Turkish Press Office as a False Flag Op to stir up trouble. It appears towards the end of this...

[kimon07]

..........Can you point me to evidence, photographs, press reports, UN reports etc of the following: -

The conflict between GCs and TCs started in the 50s, when TCs burned down GC homes and shops and committed massacres against innocent GCs.

"The handy excuse used by Turkey to further her aim of partition was the "oppression" of the Turkish Cypriot minority by the Greek Cypriot majority.

Denktash himself, in an interview to the London "Times" (1.20.78) admits that he had organized the TMT saying:
"I had to create the TMT with some friends in order to coordinate those individuals who were going around doing things."
"I had set up the TMT with a few friends...Everybody thought that I was the leader, but I was not. I was political advisor. Immediately after forming it I handed it over... The leaders were former army officers from Turkey."

Emin Dirvana, then Turkish Ambassador to Cyprus, explains what Denktash means, in an article in "Milliyet" (5.15.64)

"...I was informed that on the 7th of June, 1958, a bomb had been planted in the Turkish Press Office in Nicosia by persons who, as was established later, had nothing to do with the Greek Cypriots. The Turks of Nicosia were then incited (...) and perpetrated acts similar to those committed on the 6th and the 7th of September, 1955 in Istanbul."

In an interview given by Denktash to the British television channel ITV for the programme "Cyprus: Britain's Grim Legacy", he said:

"There was an explosion at the information bureau of the Turkish Consulate. A crowd had already gathered there, a crowd of the Turkish Cypriot community. And they almost immediately decided that Greeks had done it and they were swearing vengeance against the Greeks and so on." "The explosion started a night of riots in Nicosia. Turkish Cypriots burned and looted Greek shops and homes. Soon came counter-attacks and the fighting spread round the island. Later on, a friend of mine, whose name must still be kept secret, was to confess to me that he had put this little bomb in their doorway in order to create an atmosphere of tension so that people would know that Turkish Cypriots mattered."
The climax of the "holy indignation" which Ambassador Dirvana refers to, was the massacre of eight Greek Cypriots and the serious wounding of five, near the village of Geunyeli on 12th June 1958, five days after the explosion.

http://www.middleeastinfo.org/forum/ind ... topic=7947

http://www.hr-action.org/chr/Tpolicy.html

If may Kimon can we add the video of the Rough Donkeytosh Confession as to his "friend" planting the bomb at the Turkish Press Office as a False Flag Op to stir up trouble. It appears towards the end of this...

Thank you Bill. Fantastic. So, by adding the relevant URL we are answering all the questions of newgen. Think he will come back on the same issues?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... pWkpvWkPAA

[kimon07]

Well newgeneration,

I think the last two posts of Bill and me rap up the case and provide all answers and evidences you wanted. You may now start another topic but, this time, make sure your questions and arguments are not already answered in one of the topics of the past.

Court adjourned.

[bill cobbett]

..........Can you point me to evidence, photographs, press reports, UN reports etc of the following: -

The conflict between GCs and TCs started in the 50s, when TCs burned down GC homes and shops and committed massacres against innocent GCs.

"The handy excuse used by Turkey to further her aim of partition was the "oppression" of the Turkish Cypriot minority by the Greek Cypriot majority.

Denktash himself, in an interview to the London "Times" (1.20.78) admits that he had organized the TMT saying:
"I had to create the TMT with some friends in order to coordinate those individuals who were going around doing things."
"I had set up the TMT with a few friends...Everybody thought that I was the leader, but I was not. I was political advisor. Immediately after forming it I handed it over... The leaders were former army officers from Turkey."

Emin Dirvana, then Turkish Ambassador to Cyprus, explains what Denktash means, in an article in "Milliyet" (5.15.64)

"...I was informed that on the 7th of June, 1958, a bomb had been planted in the Turkish Press Office in Nicosia by persons who, as was established later, had nothing to do with the Greek Cypriots. The Turks of Nicosia were then incited (...) and perpetrated acts similar to those committed on the 6th and the 7th of September, 1955 in Istanbul."

In an interview given by Denktash to the British television channel ITV for the programme "Cyprus: Britain's Grim Legacy", he said:

"There was an explosion at the information bureau of the Turkish Consulate. A crowd had already gathered there, a crowd of the Turkish Cypriot community. And they almost immediately decided that Greeks had done it and they were swearing vengeance against the Greeks and so on." "The explosion started a night of riots in Nicosia. Turkish Cypriots burned and looted Greek shops and homes. Soon came counter-attacks and the fighting spread round the island. Later on, a friend of mine, whose name must still be kept secret, was to confess to me that he had put this little bomb in their doorway in order to create an atmosphere of tension so that people would know that Turkish Cypriots mattered."
The climax of the "holy indignation" which Ambassador Dirvana refers to, was the massacre of eight Greek Cypriots and the serious wounding of five, near the village of Geunyeli on 12th June 1958, five days after the explosion.

http://www.middleeastinfo.org/forum/ind ... topic=7947

http://www.hr-action.org/chr/Tpolicy.html

If may Kimon can we add the video of the Rough Donkeytosh Confession as to his "friend" planting the bomb at the Turkish Press Office as a False Flag Op to stir up trouble. It appears towards the end of this...

Thank you Bill. Fantastic. So, by adding the relevant URL we are answering all the questions of newgen. Think he will come back on the same issues?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... pWkpvWkPAA

File... you and BillC may have serious political diffs but one thing we prob agree on is that they will always be back... even in the damning and devastating light of that Denktosh Confession, a single, small and well-placed bomb that led to nights of rioting, arson and tension, that led to the Massacres at Kioneli by TMT a few days later and the reaction by EOKA ... all part of the plan... all part of Partition Plan B.

The answer to the question that newgen asks and to wider questions in CyProb... are in the last 5 mins of that video.