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[repulsewarrior]

...Cyprus is divided because Turkey believes that it is property; the people are of no consequence. This they believe is a well founded fact based on the Principal of Law (before the Modern Age) when Cyprus was made English, thus she does not recognise the validity of the Treaty of Lausanne. The British of course demonstrate their Sovereignty as well, by example their rush to express this fact at Curium.

...Cypriots are divided by their mythic personas, reality will set in soon, we are passed the Modern Age.

...Cyprus is divided because of its geographic location. in an effort to continue the plunder of past ages, there are these efforts to possess "it". it does not matter the divide, it could be mostly "French", and a reason would be found to divide the minority from a Cypriot people, as "English", (or "German"), there would exist a Proxy War.

...Cypriots have not grasped what Bicommunal and Bizonal could mean. They are not prepared it seems to confront their fears to lead Mankind beyond the Nation as a State, where they are a State within which there are Nations.

[Jerry]

Ah go away B25. My post above was a reply to Jerry.

Here you go then,

I never read Italian, Greek or US press at the time.

Of course Makarios wanted to block off Turkish intervention, he knew that was their intention all along. The Turks were prepared provoke GCs and thereby sacrifice TCs in order to achieve their aim of partition. As for George Ball, he is on record as saying in 1964 that the aim of the US was partition of the island. (Martin Packard’s book “Getting it Wrong”)

As for your references to “genocide” you have been advised of the population of Cyprus in another thread, it’s nonsense to use that word. We are talking about hundreds of casualties on both sides, not thousands. We can exchange horror stories all day long; in simple terms 1963/4 was revenge for the events of 1958 and the TCs got the worst of it because despite their claims of “equality” they were outnumbered 4 to 1.

My telegram source is here, you have been given a link to it before, http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/frus/frus ... prus4.html It’s written by an American diplomat in the US embassy in Ankara. Interesting that you want to see “Turkish original”, can you read Greek too?

Here’s something for you to ponder. After signing the Zurich Agreement but before actual independence the Turks were caught red-handed importing arms to Cyprus by the British, as far as they were concerned the armed struggle for partition would go on, how do you think the GCs felt about that, hardly an expression of goodwill was it.





Oh I forgot you want a source, try Google - The Deniz incident Cyprus

[GreekIslandGirl]

Cyprus is NOT "divided".

The Republic of Cyprus - of the WHOLE of the island of Cyprus - is under Turkish occupation facilitated by "Turkish Cypriots".

[newgeneration]

Thanks Jerry, will look at all these points/sources.

Yes, I can read Greek too. I have mixed GC TC parentage but my family left Cyprus before '74.

[newgeneration]

Greek Island Girl, I'm afraid it is. I spent a few weeks in Cyprus just recently. There was definitely still a checkpoint at Ledra Palace, and the green line, buffer zone, they were all still there.

[GreekIslandGirl]

That's a ceasefire line you separatist, segregation supporting hireling.

Maintenance of Ceasefire and Military Status Quo

Following the hostilities of July and August 1974, the Security Council adopted a number of resolutions which have affected the functioning of UNFICYP and have required the Force to perform certain additional functions relating, in particular, to the maintenance of the ceasefire. Following the de facto ceasefire, UNFICYP inspected the deployment of the Cyprus National Guard and the Turkish and Turkish Cypriot forces, and ceasefire lines and a buffer zone were established between the areas controlled by the opposing forces.

The ceasefire lines extend approximately 180 kilometres (111.85 miles) across the island. The buffer zone between the lines varies in width from less than 20 metres (21.87 yards) to some 7 kilometres (4.35 miles), and it covers about 3 per cent of the island, including some of the most valuable agricultural land. Strict adherence to the military status quo in the buffer zone, as recorded by UNFICYP at the time, has become a vital element in preventing a recurrence of fighting. UNFICYP maintains surveillance through a system of observation posts, and through air, vehicle and foot patrols. The task of the Force has significantly been complicated by the absence of a formal ceasefire agreement. As a result, UNFICYP has been confronted with hundreds of incidents each year. The most serious incidents tend to occur in areas where the ceasefire lines are in close proximity, particularly in Nicosia and its suburbs.

http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/missi ... ound.shtml

We are still at war.

[newgeneration]

More insults from Makarios Girl. How predictable.

You can look at this on pieces of paper, or you can look at the reality. For 30 years Cyprus has operated as two seperate states. It will probably remain so. I cannot see how a reconciliation could ever occur with the 2 sides still after all these years unable to agree on the reason for the partition in the first place.

[Bananiot]

One needs to take a critical look and of course be totally unbiased in order to begin to understand what was happening in Cyprus. EOKA started an armed struggle to get Cyprus unified to Greece. The TC nationalists reacted and asked for taksim. When Makarios half-heartedly signed for independence he was doing so because he intended to carry on the struggle for enosis. We need to be totally honest if we are interested to come to the truth. Since 1955 an undeclared war was taking place as the two communities tussled for strategic advantage. A few of us, the romantic ones, wanted the GC's and TC's to be brothers-in-arms in a free and really independent Cyprus. TMT took care of those TC's who had such noble aspirations and EOKA went on a killing spree of innocent GC's and in fact killed far more GC's than British soldiers. This is the truth as I lived it.

[repulsewarrior]

Greek Island Girl, I'm afraid it is. I spent a few weeks in Cyprus just recently. There was definitely still a checkpoint at Ledra Palace, and the green line, buffer zone, they were all still there.

...did you visit the Occupy Movement there, is it possible to see a third alternative as Cypriots first Citizens of the World?

[newgeneration]

Bananiot, thank you for your intelligent and frank opinion. This is something like the experiences of my grandparents and other family who remain in Cyprus, who also lived it.