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Re: Why is Cyprus Divided?

Postby CBBB » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:05 am

Viewpoint wrote:We TCs have to see the real face of GCs like Piratis who represents the majority of GCs, they continue to see and believe that the whole of Cyprus as Greek island and we are just another minority. In the face to such bigotry we have to appreciate how lucky we are to be out of the clutches of such people, our position is far better than our forefathers who were forced to live in the poorest of conditions when "sharing" the island with so called democratic GCs whos alience was to turn Cyprus into Greece.

We need to work hard with Turkey to move the TRNC slowly but firmly move towards recognition, ending this GCs fiasco of wanting a solution but only on their terms. We need to support and fight for our right to have our own recognized country, this is the future.


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Re: Why is Cyprus Divided?

Postby Piratis » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:47 am

Viewpoint wrote:So in view of the mindset you display on this forum its crystal clear that for us the current situation is far better than what you have to offer as we reject becoming just another minority under GC rule. We should fight to further the TRNC and ultimately gain recognition. The swing you talk about is never guaranteed and could swing the other way towards recognition of the TRNC...obviously you are willing to take this very serious risk just as you did in 1974. Good luck and long live the TRNC.


Cyprus is a democratic country and therefore all citizens, regardless of their ethnic background, contribute equally to the decision about who will rule the country. One person one vote. Beyond that GCs are the vast majority of the population and we have been the vast majority of the population for thousands of years, long before any Turkish minority was created on our island. If you do not like this fact you should blame your own ancestors, not us. You can't expect from us to denounce democracy and human rights, just to satisfy your greedy, racist and undemocratic belief that you supposedly are not "just another minority" and that you deserve privileges and gains on the expense of every other Cypriot.

So the question "Why Cyprus is divided" is answered: This is what serves the interests of Turkey and UK who use the Turkish minority to achieve their aim by promising to this minority privileges and gains that they do not deserve.

Cyprus is divided by means of an illegal invasion of Cyprus by Turkey, and the greedy TC minority is merely their lame excuse for occupying the north part of our island. An excuse that is accepted by nobody.
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Re: Why is Cyprus Divided?

Postby Piratis » Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:01 am

Viewpoint wrote:We TCs have to see the real face of GCs like Piratis who represents the majority of GCs, they continue to see and believe that the whole of Cyprus as Greek island and we are just another minority. In the face to such bigotry we have to appreciate how lucky we are to be out of the clutches of such people, our position is far better than our forefathers who were forced to live in the poorest of conditions when "sharing" the island with so called democratic GCs whos alience was to turn Cyprus into Greece.

We need to work hard with Turkey to move the TRNC slowly but firmly move towards recognition, ending this GCs fiasco of wanting a solution but only on their terms. We need to support and fight for our right to have our own recognized country, this is the future.


Bigotry is not when you see things as they are, i.e. that 18% of the population is a minority. Bigotry is when you think that your 18% has the rights of a 50%, and you demand special privilages, human rights violations, racist descrimnations and gains on the expense of every other Cypriot.

You have no right whatsoever to have your own country on lands stolen from us by means of foreign invasion and ethnic cleansing. The north part of Cyprus does not belong to you and never will. You just illegally occupy it. You can continue to illegally occupy it for as long as you have the power to do so (and not a second longer) but your occupation will never be legalized. This is why you want us to agree to some partition "solution". Because without our signuture you can't have what you want no matter how hard you try.
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Re: Why is Cyprus Divided?

Postby Viewpoint » Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:02 am

Piratis wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:So in view of the mindset you display on this forum its crystal clear that for us the current situation is far better than what you have to offer as we reject becoming just another minority under GC rule. We should fight to further the TRNC and ultimately gain recognition. The swing you talk about is never guaranteed and could swing the other way towards recognition of the TRNC...obviously you are willing to take this very serious risk just as you did in 1974. Good luck and long live the TRNC.


Cyprus is a democratic country and therefore all citizens, regardless of their ethnic background, contribute equally to the decision about who will rule the country. One person one vote. Beyond that GCs are the vast majority of the population and we have been the vast majority of the population for thousands of years, long before any Turkish minority was created on our island. If you do not like this fact you should blame your own ancestors, not us. You can't expect from us to denounce democracy and human rights, just to satisfy your greedy, racist and undemocratic belief that you supposedly are not "just another minority" and that you deserve privileges and gains on the expense of every other Cypriot.

So the question "Why Cyprus is divided" is answered: This is what serves the interests of Turkey and UK who use the Turkish minority to achieve their aim by promising to this minority privileges and gains that they do not deserve.

Cyprus is divided by means of an illegal invasion of Cyprus by Turkey, and the greedy TC minority is merely their lame excuse for occupying the north part of our island. An excuse that is accepted by nobody.


The minorıty rights you offer under GC majority rule VS the TRNC is a no brainer Piratis no one will buy it, we could move south today and take you up on your offer but the majority of TCs still stay north. You forget that Cyprus has changed forever, both sides contributed to that and it will never be as it was, the island at best can be a BBF with plenty of guarantees checks and balances to ensure neither side can impose its will on the other ever again. As for recognition theres no rush we to can wait for a swing in power towards us, never forget the swing you talk is exactly that it can go either way.
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Re: Why is Cyprus Divided?

Postby Viewpoint » Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:05 am

Piratis wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:We TCs have to see the real face of GCs like Piratis who represents the majority of GCs, they continue to see and believe that the whole of Cyprus as Greek island and we are just another minority. In the face to such bigotry we have to appreciate how lucky we are to be out of the clutches of such people, our position is far better than our forefathers who were forced to live in the poorest of conditions when "sharing" the island with so called democratic GCs whos alience was to turn Cyprus into Greece.

We need to work hard with Turkey to move the TRNC slowly but firmly move towards recognition, ending this GCs fiasco of wanting a solution but only on their terms. We need to support and fight for our right to have our own recognized country, this is the future.


Bigotry is not when you see things as they are, i.e. that 18% of the population is a minority. Bigotry is when you think that your 18% has the rights of a 50%, and you demand special privilages, human rights violations, racist descrimnations and gains on the expense of every other Cypriot.

You have no right whatsoever to have your own country on lands stolen from us by means of foreign invasion and ethnic cleansing. The north part of Cyprus does not belong to you and never will. You just illegally occupy it. You can continue to illegally occupy it for as long as you have the power to do so (and not a second longer) but your occupation will never be legalized. This is why you want us to agree to some partition "solution". Because without our signuture you can't have what you want no matter how hard you try.


Hello have you heard of the countries USA and Australia? You have lost 37% of the island forever time to get to grips with reality you can only get it back by force or by being clever and agreeing a 2 state solution where we are joined at the federal level.
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Re: Why is Cyprus Divided?

Postby boulio » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:51 pm

Your definition of state and that of turkeys is different than the rest of the world unfortunatly.you are saying a nation state for the tc.the rest of the world is saying as the are unsc resolutions a component state as part of a federal model.WHich in case tyou dont now is federal models the federal govt is of a higher authority than the component states.WHat you are advocating is a confederal model not a federal one.
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Re: Why is Cyprus Divided?

Postby Viewpoint » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:57 pm

boulio wrote:Your definition of state and that of turkeys is different than the rest of the world unfortunatly.you are saying a nation state for the tc.the rest of the world is saying as the are unsc resolutions a component state as part of a federal model.WHich in case tyou dont now is federal models the federal govt is of a higher authority than the component states.WHat you are advocating is a confederal model not a federal one.


Hello dumbo I did say at the FEDERAL LEVEL.
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Re: Why is Cyprus Divided?

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:58 pm

Viewpoint wrote:We TCs have to see the real face of GCs like Piratis who represents the majority of GCs, they continue to see and believe that the whole of Cyprus as Greek island and we are just another minority. In the face to such bigotry we have to appreciate how lucky we are to be out of the clutches of such people, our position is far better than our forefathers who were forced to live in the poorest of conditions when "sharing" the island with so called democratic GCs whos alience was to turn Cyprus into Greece.

We need to work hard with Turkey to move the TRNC slowly but firmly move towards recognition, ending this GCs fiasco of wanting a solution but only on their terms. We need to support and fight for our right to have our own recognized country, this is the future.


...vp, my impression is that you are feeling very sorry for yourself. for over three hundred years Cyprus was, as you say, "yours", and it became a backwater where everyone was poor. Cypriots, all alike sustained themselves for the most part in rural settings where their cooperation meant a better quality of living, and which developed a very rich heritance as a Socialisation. you choose to imagine that all "Greeks" are the same, you generalise and stretch what is said in one posting by one member of this forum so that somehow it will evoke pity for your plight, a truth which cannot be denied, a picture which seems real, as though the wealth that Cyprus has produced dispite the horrible consequences of the proxy war which continues has not had the same affects on all dwellers. if you live better than your forefathers, this is natural, although the hatred you express for what were your neighbours and friends before being torn apart is not.

vp, let me put it this way, imagine a deli counter, i am proposing that a store can be built where within it you enjoy the delicate meats from many origins each with their own fridge, each specialty provided in a manner where all the patrons enjoy a plentitude in their choices. you are proposing that two stores be built to provide food from sources strictly controlled to provide one flavour each. your store is small and broken because the sole supplier of your goods who built it, is in essence concerned with their profits and not your livelihood; the other store thrives because it is capable of serving many different clients while enjoying the benefits of a larger population which is not hostage to their trading partners. what results is the chaos we have today because the land you built "your" store on is not yours, although in a time that is long ago you say that all of it belonged to the sponsor who you've chosen to be subject to.

I am not a "Greek", never was, although i am Greek. it is not easy being Cypriot under these conditions, where "Turks" express such animosity, like their counterparts, against Turks. the issue which keeps us at this impasse and torn apart is Intolerance; the debate is flawed because these two beligerents have maintained an agenda as the center of attention, where the rest of us, and all of Mankind, have been dismissed out of their equation, so too the Universal Principals which as one Race we are fighting for to defend.

...nobody "owns" Cyprus but the Cypriots. there may be a Turkish Constituency, there may be a Republic, but where is the Greek Constituency, this is the question i expect from someone as able as yourself; (as well as one which can represent as Persons the Maronites, Armenians, (and even the Romes)). truly vp, if you believe that the BBF means sharing, you would find my manifesto a valuable basis from which you can apply pressure against "Greeks" (and "Turks") to likewise free themselves from the fear they use to divide.
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Re: Why is Cyprus Divided?

Postby Viewpoint » Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:05 pm

So your analogy forces me to eat from one deli because it serves a variety of meats this deli is yours and you can serve anything you wish this is where I cannot be sure what is being served, do you really want me to risk being poisoned? Id rather eat from my deli where there variety maybe limited but as least I know ill survive.
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Re: Why is Cyprus Divided?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:43 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:We TCs have to see the real face of GCs like Piratis who represents the majority of GCs, they continue to see and believe that the whole of Cyprus as Greek island and we are just another minority. In the face to such bigotry we have to appreciate how lucky we are to be out of the clutches of such people, our position is far better than our forefathers who were forced to live in the poorest of conditions when "sharing" the island with so called democratic GCs whos alience was to turn Cyprus into Greece.

We need to work hard with Turkey to move the TRNC slowly but firmly move towards recognition, ending this GCs fiasco of wanting a solution but only on their terms. We need to support and fight for our right to have our own recognized country, this is the future.


Bigotry is not when you see things as they are, i.e. that 18% of the population is a minority. Bigotry is when you think that your 18% has the rights of a 50%, and you demand special privilages, human rights violations, racist descrimnations and gains on the expense of every other Cypriot.

You have no right whatsoever to have your own country on lands stolen from us by means of foreign invasion and ethnic cleansing. The north part of Cyprus does not belong to you and never will. You just illegally occupy it. You can continue to illegally occupy it for as long as you have the power to do so (and not a second longer) but your occupation will never be legalized. This is why you want us to agree to some partition "solution". Because without our signuture you can't have what you want no matter how hard you try.


Hello have you heard of the countries USA and Australia? You have lost 37% of the island forever time to get to grips with reality you can only get it back by force or by being clever and agreeing a 2 state solution where we are joined at the federal level.


The USA and Australia were not recognized sovereign countries when the Europeans arrived, unlike Cyprus when the Turks invaded. The USA and Australia did not have a written history going back thousands of years which formed the foundation of the civilized world.

- Your Ottoman Kleptocracy will never be recognized as anything other than an illegal, temporary occupation. Be careful you don't lose Turkey in the process! :wink:
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