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[newgeneration]

As a starting point, for a realistic account of the history of the Cyprus Problem that counters some of the extremist views on this forum. I have purposely only cited Greek Cypriot and British sources.

The Genocide Files by Harry Scott Gibbons
The Cyprus Problem: What everyone needs to know by Ker-Lindsey James
Divided Cyprus by Thiannis Papadakis

Documentaries by Antonis Angastiniotis.

[Jerry]

As a starting point, for a realistic account of the history of the Cyprus Problem that counters some of the extremist views on this forum. I have purposely only cited Greek Cypriot and British sources.

The Genocide Files by Harry Scott Gibbons
The Cyprus Problem: What everyone needs to know by Ker-Lindsey James
Divided Cyprus by Thiannis Papadakis

Documentaries by Antonis Angastiniotis.

I suggest you read all the reviews in Amazon http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews ... geNumber=2 about Harry Scott Gibbons and his paid for by the Turkish Government "book".
If you want an honest view of the Cyprus problem read "Hostage to History" by Christopher Hitchens or Martin Packard's "Getting it Wrong"

[Sotos]

You should watch "Attila 74: The Rape of Cyprus". You should also go read some books about the history of Cyprus. Then you will learn how the Turks came to being in Cyprus by invading us killing 20.000 people in Nicosia and more more 1000s across Cyprus and then stealing our lands and giving them to Turkish settlers.

[GreekIslandGirl]

You need to read up on UN resolutions, EU legislature, find historical records and watch newsreels of the time. Plus read up on quality journalistic reports of the time. Weigh it up with the historical time point and put it in context of what was happening in the world and who were the 'victors' and 'victims' and come to some logical narrative of your own.

A good author would probably have done all this unless they have a personal agenda (which is not always disclosed or obvious).

It's OK to debate with generalizations (we all do) but when you are asked to support your arguments, it's best to find an original source (as far as is possible) rather than just refer to your favourite author (as Bananiot does also).

- You sound refreshed after your rest.

[newgeneration]

Jerry I am tempted to believe some of those Amazon reviews come from posters on this forum! The sentiments certainly sound familiar.

You cannot just discredit any source that does not fit in perfectly with your version of events. It is a ridiculous and frankly very lazy way of discussing the Cyprus problem.

[newgeneration]

Thank you for the suggested reading/viewing material. I have read both books but not seen the film mentioned.

As for UN legislature, a fundamental mistake was that talks were allowed to continue without any TC's represented in the Cyprus govt of the 60's. As for other UN reports and records of the time, there are countless sources that refer to the EOKA mass killing in TC villages. There are also the mass TC graves uncovered by the UN in the 80's. There are also - many similar reports concerning the killing of GC's by the Turkish mainland army. The UN sources do, to an extent, portray the attrocities that occurred on both sides.

As for EU legislature, many are of the opinion it was a mistakes to allow a divided Cyprus into the EU at all, certainly in the UK. It goes against the fundamental principles of the EU.

As far as news reports of the times are concerned, I have read and researched here too. Again, there were reports in the UK press of mass killings in TC villages. The Turkish mainland intervention and the work of the Greek mainland army is also reported upon. Let's remember the Greek mainland troops had been in Cyprus for some time before Turkey.

I have made a point in my original post of NOT quoting what could be construed as oases sources. I have only mentioned British and GC ones.

In summary, there are many conflicting reports out there. Why do you think this is? The easiest answer would be to simply try and discredit the sources I have given, the ones - and there are many - that don't conform to your edited version of events.

Or do you think there could be some truth in these sources, in the same way there is some truth in the alternative reading suggested here?

[loyalcypriot10]

Sotos » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:18 am
You should watch "Attila 74: The Rape of Cyprus". You should also go read some books about the history of Cyprus. Then you will learn how the Turks came to being in Cyprus by invading us killing 20.000 people in Nicosia and more more 1000s across Cyprus and then stealing our lands and giving them to Turkish settlers.
All Cyprus belongs to the Cypriot people. Not to the invading Turks. Turkish Expansionism will not be accepted.

Grow up Sotos, there Greek and Turkish settlers in many countries.Why should little old Cyprus be different?

[CBBB]

As for other UN reports and records of the time, there are countless sources that refer to the EOKA mass killing in TC villages. There are also the mass TC graves uncovered by the UN in the 80's.

Credible source for these statements?

[GreekIslandGirl]

Thank you for the suggested reading/viewing material. I have read both books but not seen the film mentioned.

As for UN legislature, a fundamental mistake was that talks were allowed to continue without any TC's represented in the Cyprus govt of the 60's. As for other UN reports and records of the time, there are countless sources that refer to the EOKA mass killing in TC villages. There are also the mass TC graves uncovered by the UN in the 80's. There are also - many similar reports concerning the killing of GC's by the Turkish mainland army. The UN sources do, to an extent, portray the attrocities that occurred on both sides.

As for EU legislature, many are of the opinion it was a mistakes to allow a divided Cyprus into the EU at all, certainly in the UK. It goes against the fundamental principles of the EU.

As far as news reports of the times are concerned, I have read and researched here too. Again, there were reports in the UK press of mass killings in TC villages. The Turkish mainland intervention and the work of the Greek mainland army is also reported upon. Let's remember the Greek mainland troops had been in Cyprus for some time before Turkey.

I have made a point in my original post of NOT quoting what could be construed as oases sources. I have only mentioned British and GC ones.

In summary, there are many conflicting reports out there. Why do you think this is? The easiest answer would be to simply try and discredit the sources I have given, the ones - and there are many - that don't conform to your edited version of events.

Or do you think there could be some truth in these sources, in the same way there is some truth in the alternative reading suggested here?

You have NOT given any sources. It's just you typing your thoughts. Fine, but don't confuse your own opinion with facts. You are entitled to the former in any way shape or form. But the latter is sacrosanct; and thus far, eludes you.

The TCs walked out in preference for their own racist state and that was their design from the start. You didn't come to this island to share it with us but to grab it all. The fact we still retain 60% and due the rest is precisely because the laws of humanity are all on our side and the Turkish Ottomans have no call on Cyprus .

There were more GCs killed by TCs and Turks than the other way around. There are ~1,500 GCs still missing in Turkish hands. The TMT killed TCs too - take it up with them! Better still, just pack up and leave.

[PC Bubble]

Harry Scott Gibbons was a Scottish reporter for the Daily Express who happened to witness the attempted genocide of the Turkish Cypriot people in Cyprus.
His book 'The Genocide files' is factual and a true account of what actually happened.

You will not find too many fans of HSG on this forum as most of the members do not enjoy the truth, only their version of it !