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[newgeneration]

Taking into account the TC's were approx 20% of the population and there are 1500 GC killed and 500 TC killed, proportionately a far higher amount of the TC community was lost.

Harking back to a 600 year old invasion gives away your irrational and extremist beliefs. If you lived in the UK you would be what's known as a National Front supporter. Believe me you would not be very popular. That's because people try to live without racism these days.

In as far as the TC's walking out of govt because they chose to ... Firstly it's not actually a believable story. For what reason would they give up something they fought so hard for? Secondly, there are of course two versions of this event, that the TC's were forced out. Now given what Makarios did next I'd say that's far more likely.

[boulio]

1500 vs 500 is a shame people were lost however this should be categorized as a civil conflict not genocide.

[CBBB]

Harry Scott Gibbons was a Scottish reporter for the Daily Express who happened to witness the attempted genocide of the Turkish Cypriot people in Cyprus.
His book 'The Genocide files' is factual and a true account of what actually happened.

You will not find too many fans of HSG on this forum as most of the members do not enjoy the truth, only their version of it !

Apart from being named as author of this Turkish propaganda book, Harry Scott Gibbons does not seem to exist.

[newgeneration]

Boulio I will agree with you on that.

[GreekIslandGirl]

The TCs never fought for independence to construct the RoC but against it. They left under the instructions of Turkey because Taksim was their design.

- As for the 1,500 GCs - those are the MISSING! Another 4,000 were killed by Turk-TCs. (Not including Ottoman killings).

How can such a small community be the direct cause of so many killings of Greek Cypriots? Never mind generalizations about the National Front; it's your own outlook you have to clean up. You live in a racist, segregated, illegal state. You want to preserve such an evil construct instead of becoming human.

[Piratis]

You cannot just discredit any source that does not fit in perfectly with your version of events. It is a ridiculous and frankly very lazy way of discussing the Cyprus problem.

What is ridiculous is the claim of a "genocide" against TCs since such thing never happened. Beyond that anybody can write a fairy tale which has nothing to do with reality, especially when he is paid to do so and he is a nobody with no credibility to lose.

If there was a "genocide" then explain this:

According to the censuses which took place in Cyprus before the factual partition of the island, the Greek Cypriot community amounted to 447,901 (78,2%) in 1960, and to 498,511 (78,9%) in 19734. The Turkish Cypriot community numbered 103,822 (18,1%) people in 1960, and 116 000 (18,4%) in 1973. The total population of Cyprus was 572,707 in 1960 and 631,778 in 1973 (see Appendix 3, Table 1). An average rate of annual growth for both communities between 1960 and 1973 was similar and amounted to 0,8%. In consequence, the ethnic distribution of the population did not change between 1960 and 1974 and the proportion of each community remained stable.

http://assembly.coe.int/Documents/Worki ... OC9799.htm

If there was a "genocide" then one would expect the population of TCs to be drastically reduced. On the contrary their population increased both in absolute numbers and as a percentage of the population. So where is the "genocide"?

The Greek Cypriots had nothing to gain from having any conflict with the TCs. We have many other minorities in Cyprus and we had no problem with any of the others. On the other hand the TC minority had a lot to gain from such conflict, since Turkey and UK were promising to them unfair, racist and undemocratic gains on the expense of the majority, and even partition of Cyprus with them getting twice as much than what they actually owned. In return the TCs would help those foreign imperialists to maintain troops and control over our island.

This is why the TCs started the intercommunal conflict in 1958, by massacring GCs and burning the homes and shops of innocent people.





The murders of innocents and the destruction of GC properties were organized in Turkey who incited the Turkish minority in Cyprus with broadcasts calling them to murder GCs and start a civil war.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 617_HOC_12

The rioting shown in the video was on the 7th of June 1958. The massacre of the GCs on the 12th of June 1958.

This Report is of a Commission of Inquiry conducted by the Chief Justice into an incident on 12th June, when eight Greek Cypriots met their deaths at the hands of Turkish Cypriots

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... /10/cyprus

GCs retaliated in kind, and the result was that both sides had some 100s of casualties, many of which were innocent. I am not saying that it was a right thing for GCs to retaliate in kind, but I am pointing out this fact as you seem to wrongly believe that it was the GCs who started the conflict and that during the conflict only TCs had casualties, something which is obviously not true.

The conflict that started in 1958 was basically over by 1968. It was a bad conflict as every conflict is, but on average less people died in that conflict each year than they die in car accidents each year in Cyprus now. Less people died in that whole dacade than the people that died within weeks during the Turkish invasion. Furthermore, no TC was killed in 1974 before the day of the Turkish invasion. Any TCs that were killed in 1974 were again killed as a retaliation.

As I said, Cyprus has many other minorities and we all live together in peace as equal citizens. The problem with the TCs is that they never accepted to live as equal citizens together with the rest of Cypriots. Turkey promises to them privileges and gains on the expense of every other Cypriot, and the TCs are more than happy to act as Turkey's puppets, hopping that one day the Turkish brute force and blackmail will work out and they will manage to gain on our expense disproportional amounts of land and power.

[newgeneration]

Turkey would not gain by removing people from the Cyprus govt even if what you are saying has truth in it. Strategically that would not help them get partition.

The GC's continue to use the term missing because it serves their political agenda and keeps this issue open. The TC's whose people went missing at the same time say they are sadly gone. Coming back to the main difference between TC and GC's, the TC's are prepared to look to the future, the GC's are not.

The Turkish mainland military did kill GC's, this I don't dispute. But I wish the GC's had been happy with the agreement reached in 1960, then things would never have come to this, the Turkish mainland intervention.

To be clear, I do not live in the TRNC but I do visit both sides of Cyprus frequently.

[newgeneration]

Piratis I will read your post in detail later and respond. Thanks for your comprehensive response.

[SKI-preo]

Killings of CYpriots by turks
fall of Nicosia 20,0000
fall of Famagusta 20,000

killings in 16th-19th century about 5000
killings in 20th century about 7000

killings Turks by Cypriots
intercommunal strife mid 20th century some killings of Turks by TMT about 800.

Thanks

[GreekIslandGirl]

You cannot just discredit any source that does not fit in perfectly with your version of events. It is a ridiculous and frankly very lazy way of discussing the Cyprus problem.

What is ridiculous is the claim of a "genocide" against TCs since such thing never happened. Beyond that anybody can write a fairy tale which has nothing to do with reality, especially when he is paid to do so and he is a nobody with no credibility to lose.

If there was a "genocide" then explain this:

According to the censuses which took place in Cyprus before the factual partition of the island, the Greek Cypriot community amounted to 447,901 (78,2%) in 1960, and to 498,511 (78,9%) in 19734. The Turkish Cypriot community numbered 103,822 (18,1%) people in 1960, and 116 000 (18,4%) in 1973. The total population of Cyprus was 572,707 in 1960 and 631,778 in 1973 (see Appendix 3, Table 1). An average rate of annual growth for both communities between 1960 and 1973 was similar and amounted to 0,8%. In consequence, the ethnic distribution of the population did not change between 1960 and 1974 and the proportion of each community remained stable.

http://assembly.coe.int/Documents/Worki ... OC9799.htm

If there was a "genocide" then one would expect the population of TCs to be drastically reduced. On the contrary their population increased both in absolute numbers and as a percentage of the population. So where is the "genocide"?

The Greek Cypriots had nothing to gain from having any conflict with the TCs. We have many other minorities in Cyprus and we had no problem with any of the others. On the other hand the TC minority had a lot to gain from such conflict, since Turkey and UK were promising to them unfair, racist and undemocratic gains on the expense of the majority, and even partition of Cyprus with them getting twice as much than what they actually owned. In return the TCs would help those foreign imperialists to maintain troops and control over our island.

This is why the TCs started the intercommunal conflict in 1958, by massacring GCs and burning the homes and shops of innocent people.





The murders of innocents and the destruction of GC properties were organized in Turkey who incited the Turkish minority in Cyprus with broadcasts calling them to murder GCs and start a civil war.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 617_HOC_12

The rioting shown in the video was on the 7th of June 1958. The massacre of the GCs on the 12th of June 1958.

This Report is of a Commission of Inquiry conducted by the Chief Justice into an incident on 12th June, when eight Greek Cypriots met their deaths at the hands of Turkish Cypriots

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... /10/cyprus

GCs retaliated in kind, and the result was that both sides had some 100s of casualties, many of which were innocent. I am not saying that it was a right thing for GCs to retaliate in kind, but I am pointing out this fact as you seem to wrongly believe that it was the GCs who started the conflict and that during the conflict only TCs had casualties, something which is obviously not true.

The conflict that started in 1958 was basically over by 1968. It was a bad conflict as every conflict is, but on average less people died in that conflict each year than they die in car accidents each year in Cyprus now. Less people died in that whole dacade than the people that died within weeks during the Turkish invasion. Furthermore, no TC was killed in 1974 before the day of the Turkish invasion. Any TCs that were killed in 1974 were again killed as a retaliation.

As I said, Cyprus has many other minorities and we all live together in peace as equal citizens. The problem with the TCs is that they never accepted to live as equal citizens together with the rest of Cypriots. Turkey promises to them privileges and gains on the expense of every other Cypriot, and the TCs are more than happy to act as Turkey's puppets, hopping that one day the Turkish brute force and blackmail will work out and they will manage to gain on our expense disproportional amounts of land and power.

The most excellent summary - to be read by all.