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Re: Just '74 Days To Go ...!!!!

Postby Viewpoint » Mon May 28, 2012 9:05 pm

Me Ed wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
MR-from-NG wrote:
Me Ed wrote:MR point taken but Turkey has unfortunately made it impossible to lift the embargoes in the occupied areas with the importation of Turkish citizens and big Turkish business interests who will now be the main beneficiaries.

To be fair, the RoC has done what it can in it's power for the TCs with the opening of the crossings, the issuing of EU passports and the provision of medical treatment.

Whilst there are TCs that have welcomed and taken advantage of these services, (which is their right to do), unfortunately there are still TCs that treat this with cynicism.


Ed, I think we all know the RoC did only what it is obliged to do, and even then there are thousands of TC's that appreciate this. As you point out, the RoC is far from happy with the importation of TC's and this is somewhat holding them back from helping the TC's more. Are you not aware that the TC's are just as disappointed if not more with these undesirables being imported into our beautiful country? Doesn't this fact alone make us teammates? Shouldn't the GC's embrace us and encourage us to feel we are all Cypriots and we need to do the best for our country. As things are at the moment the divide is getting bigger and wider and the RoC has to address so many issues with regards to the TC population of the island and as far as I can see its doing just the opposite, it is instead forcing us to hang onto Turkey with such a grip that it will one day be impossible to let go.

I have had many arguments with many GC's on this forum and some may even think of me as THE ENEMY but the bottom line is I want ALL the settlers out of Cyprus, I want the TA out of Cyprus (when circumstances allow), I want the selling and building on GC property to stop and those GC's that have lost their properties compensated. I'm not alone with this ideal, vast majority of TC's feel the same.


I second what you are saying MR but as you know the GC stance and mentality will never allow for what you are looking for, the divide is much wider today even after the opening of the borders that it has ever been. The momentum and desire for a solution on both side is non exsıstent and the TCs grow closer and closer to Turkey everyday as they are seen as not only their saviour but their one and only reliable allie.

MR, I too second your comments and fully aware of the general feeling of TCs towards the settlers.

The RoC does what it can in the face of Turkish policy in the north, but this should be a two way relationship and not much has been forthcoming from the TC side.

I also dissagree with VPs analysis, because since the opening of the ceasefire line:

1. TCs and GCs have crossed the ceasefire,apart from the odd very minor issues, this has worked out well and without major incident.

2. TCs and GCs are now communicating directly, than rather through the leadership.

3. There have been far more bicommunal events.

4. Over the past few years, there has been an observable increase in demonstrations against the occupation regime with public displays of the flag of the republic.


Your clutching at straws the points you raised have not brought about even a sign of a solution in fact views have hardened even further and we are farther away from a solution than we have ever been. Neither side has the desire, flexibility, trust or intelligence to agree a solution so in reality we are flogging a dead horse that will never pass the finish line.
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Re: Just '74 Days To Go ...!!!!

Postby Viewpoint » Mon May 28, 2012 9:11 pm

The UN acknowledges this and co-operates with the RoC in the application of these embargoes.

You're telling us this is all for our benefit? In their infinite wisdom they have decided the best way to help TC's is to impose embargo's on them. Thats genius, why didn't we see this all this rime? How silly of us?
Not quite, they are there to prevent private Turkish citizens and business fully exploiting ethnically cleansed property.

One has to ask the question that in the present context, does Turkey in 2012 maintain huge occupation force to protect TCs, or are they really there to protect Turkish business interests and priviate Turkish citizens?

Lordo made a perfectly reasonable point here. If as the GC's claim we are Cypriots just like them and their grievance is with Turkey then it would make perfect sense for the RoC to intensify its pressures on Turkey ie Turkeys EU accession etc and ease the embargoes on the TC's. You never know, easing the embargoes on the TC's and showing a bit of good faith may work wonders for GC & TC relations.

Mr. I think we must clarify a few sensitive points here.

The embargo is not imposed by the RoC but by the international community and international organizations, pursuant to UN resolutions, DUE to the illegal occupation of the North by Turkey.

If the RoC requests or permits the international community etc to lift the embargoes, Turkey and it's puppets in the North will surely present this as recognition by the RoC, "de jure" or "de facto" of the legitimacy of the TC regime and it's upgrading to a legitimate and sovereign state.

I believe that the RoC made a very realistic proposal in relation to the easing of the embargo: To permit all sorts of deals, activities and financing of the North but ONLY through the legitimate authorities of the RoC and ONLY through "corridors" which are under the control of the RoC. What is so wrong with that? Such a practice will safeguard also that whatever benefits derive from such transactions and exchanges will be to the benefit of the TC community ONLY and it will not end up yielding profits for Turkey and Turkish businesses etc.

On the other hand, shouldn't the Turkish Cypriots be more active in demanding their freedom? I don't think demonstrations alone will bring any result. Why not form committees of representatives who would appeal to the various international and European fora demanding the withdrawal of the Turkish army and the Turkish settlers etc?


So you are saying trust your rapist=GCs to do the right thing? dont work that way.
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Re: Just '74 Days To Go ...!!!!

Postby bill cobbett » Mon May 28, 2012 9:17 pm

Now just...

33 Days To Go...!!!...

... 'til CY takes over the term Presidency of the EU Council...

... 33 more days for other European leaders to join Martin Schulz, Pres of the European Parliament, in condemning Turkey's blustery decision to suspend relationships with the EU during the CY Presidency...

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2 ... 17102.html
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Re: Just '74 Days To Go ...!!!!

Postby Viewpoint » Mon May 28, 2012 9:18 pm

bill cobbett wrote:Now just...

33 Days To Go...!!!...

... 'til CY takes over the term Presidency of the EU Council...

... 33 more days for other European leaders to join Martin Schulz, Pres of the European Parliament, in condemning Turkey's blustery decision to suspend relationships with the EU during the CY Presidency...

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2 ... 17102.html


and????
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Re: Just '74 Days To Go ...!!!!

Postby bill cobbett » Mon May 28, 2012 9:21 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Now just...

33 Days To Go...!!!...

... 'til CY takes over the term Presidency of the EU Council...

... 33 more days for other European leaders to join Martin Schulz, Pres of the European Parliament, in condemning Turkey's blustery decision to suspend relationships with the EU during the CY Presidency...

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2 ... 17102.html


and????


and???? (!!!!)...

...and???? .... 33 more days for Turkey and VP to get worked up about the prospect of a CY Presidency.
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Re: Just '74 Days To Go ...!!!!

Postby Viewpoint » Mon May 28, 2012 9:29 pm

Its so comical you havent got a clue about what will happen in 33 days :lol:
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Re: Just '74 Days To Go ...!!!!

Postby bill cobbett » Mon May 28, 2012 9:40 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Its so comical you havent got a clue about what will happen in 33 days :lol:


... not as comical as VP and Turkey busting a gut about the prospect... :lol: :lol: :lol: .... oh Gawd!... me guts.... :lol: :lol:
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Re: Just '74 Days To Go ...!!!!

Postby Viewpoint » Mon May 28, 2012 9:50 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Its so comical you havent got a clue about what will happen in 33 days :lol:


... not as comical as VP and Turkey busting a gut about the prospect... :lol: :lol: :lol: .... oh Gawd!... me guts.... :lol: :lol:


You havent got a clue :lol:
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Re: Just '74 Days To Go ...!!!!

Postby bill cobbett » Mon May 28, 2012 10:27 pm

Well really!!! ...

While we're waiting for the clueless VP to catch up...

A reminder that there are only...

33 days To Go

...for the start of the CY term Presidency of the EU Council...

... 33 days for the So Good They Had To Name It 3 or 4 Times "ctr" to try and spoil the party by announcing the "return" of the Trashed, Looted and Derelict Occupied Famagusta ...under its continuing control of course.
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Re: Just '74 Days To Go ...!!!!

Postby kimon07 » Mon May 28, 2012 10:34 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Its so comical you havent got a clue about what will happen in 33 days :lol:


Ah yes. The info published in "Havadis" news paper about Plan B being under way: Renaming "KKTC" to "KTC", new "KTC" passports defining Turkish Cypriots as "Turkish Cypriots", upgrading the "compensations committee" for the properties etc.

Truly comical indeed.

http://www.infognomonpolitics.blogspot. ... t_240.html

Just a piece of advise. Go ahead and get the new passports issued for you by the Turkish army authorities. But make sure to always have the RoC pasport with you as well, whenever you attempt to travel abroad. You will need it, believe me.
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