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[kimon07]

SPYCATCHER

This book was banned in the UK, Australia and the I think the US...huge controversy at the time...not sure if its still banned today...I got my copy in '88 in Taipei out of all places...

an interesting book documenting work from a field officer...worth the read...

Spycatcher: The Candid Autobiography of a Senior Intelligence Officer (also Spycatcher), is a book written by Peter Wright, former MI5 officer and Assistant Director, and co-author Paul Greengrass. It was published first in Australia. Its allegations proved scandalous on publication, but more so because the British Government attempted to ban it, ensuring its profit and notoriety.[1]
Contents
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• 1 Content
• 2 Publication and trial
• 3 Subsequent impact
• 4 See also
• 5 References
• 6 Literature
• 7 External links

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spycatcher

[Me Ed]

People like Don and Bananiot can avoid making fools of themselves by simply visiting the links I always post to support my arguments.

Example:

"The military conflict ended in stalemate, but this was really a victory for EOKA – because a few hundred guerrillas, with popular support, had remained undefeated while facing British troops who numbered over 40,000 at the height of the conflict."

http://www.troopsoutmovement.com/oliversarmychap5.htm

There are many more above. Enjoy their content and be educated or insist to ridicule yourselves. The choice is yours.

And let me remind you once again. The topic is not about what happened in 1963 or 1974, but about 1955-1959, when 250 GREEK Cypriot guerrillas ridiculed the British Empire. We are therefore examining the causes of this unprecedented military BRITISH DEFEAT.

But the reality is that the British ... ARE STILL HERE!

[kimon07]

But the reality is that the British ... ARE STILL HERE!

Before the "But" you should answer the question. THis is how your answer should go:

YES, the Empire WAS DEFEATED militarily BUT the British.... ARE STILL HERE because Makarios missed the chance (Harding's proposals of 1956) offered to him by EOKA.

Result: The British lost militarily but won in the diplomatic-political field. Till Tasos Papadopolos came along (another EOKA fighter).

Thanks to him, Cyprus was saved from the Annan Plan and Britain missed it's chance to grab the resources of the south seas. And the island will soon be under EU custody and the British bases will not offer to Britain anything more than a costly military presence which will be serving the military interests of NATO and the EU. SO, at the end of the day the initial political "victory" of Britain will end up to nothing more than a long and very costly military presence on Cyprus which would have been avoided if Britain had agreed with Makarios for, let us say, Enosis, on the condition that the British bases would be transformed to NATO bases (as those in Crete) but under British command (so that Britain would save face).

So, in the long run, we can say that the military actions of Grivas forced the British to offer independence, while the political struggles of Tassos, which can be seen as the continuation, on the political field, of the struggle of EOKA, will eventually secure the full sovereignty of Cyprus.

[Me Ed]

But the reality is that the British ... ARE STILL HERE!

Before the "But" you should answer the question. THis is how your answer should go:

YES, the Empire WAS DEFEATED militarily BUT the British.... ARE STILL HERE because Makarios missed the chance (Harding's proposals of 1956) offered to him by EOKA.

Result: The British lost militarily but won in the diplomatic-political field. Till Tasos Papadopolos came along (another EOKA fighter).

Thanks to him, Cyprus was saved from the Annan Plan and Britain missed it's chance to grab the resources of the south seas. And the island will soon be under EU custody and the British bases will not offer to Britain anything more than a costly military presence which will be serving the military interests of NATO and the EU. SO, at the end of the day the initial political "victory" of Britain will end up to nothing more than a long and very costly military presence on Cyprus which would have been avoided if Britain had agreed with Makarios for, let us say, Enosis, on the condition that the British bases would be transformed to NATO bases (as those in Crete) but under British command (so that Britain would save face).

So, in the long run, we can say that the military actions of Grivas forced the British to offer independence, while the political struggles of Tassos, which can be seen as the continuation, on the political field, of the struggle of EOKA, will eventually secure the full sovereignty of Cyprus.

I agree with all your statements above but you must acknowledge that the British wanted Cyprus for one reason and for one reason alone, and they are still there for that very same reason.

Since some "Cyprus Greeks" on this forum believe that Cyprus has enosis with Greece through the EU, you shouldn't be too concerned with the bases as you also have enosis with the UK for the same reason, so at the end of the day it's all "EU territory", isn't it?

[Don Kelley]

Before the "But" you should answer the question. THis is how your answer should go:

YES, the Empire WAS DEFEATED militarily BUT the British.... ARE STILL HERE because Makarios missed the chance (Harding's proposals of 1956) offered to him by EOKA.

Result: The British lost militarily but won in the diplomatic-political field. Till Tasos Papadopolos came along (another EOKA fighter).

"The British Empire was defeated" you live in that dream world if you want. And where were these glorious Eoka (back shooting) fighters when the Turks invaded? According to your misguided mentality the Greeks should have been able to throw the Turks back into the sea as it is claimed by the other misguided on here that the British forces were highly trained and top class unlike the Turkish unwilling conscripts

[Don Kelley]

But the reality is that the British ... ARE STILL HERE!

And if they hadn't been the Turks would now control the whole of the island.
Amazing how many Greeks sought refuge on the SBAs when these so called Eoka heroes ran from the Turks, maybe they'd like to tell us how they were safe from the Turks on the SBAs.

[Bananiot]

I thought youn had a little bit more sense that the average idiot in this forum cowboy. I was wrong.

[Jerry]

But the reality is that the British ... ARE STILL HERE!

And if they hadn't been the Turks would now control the whole of the island.Amazing how many Greeks sought refuge on the SBAs when these so called Eoka heroes ran from the Turks, maybe they'd like to tell us how they were safe from the Turks on the SBAs.

More rubbish, after the initial invasion Turks demanded 34% of the island from Clerides, Clerides was denied time to consult with others and the Turks took what they had asked for and a bit more to "barter" with. Kissinger was pulling the strings from behind the scenes, he knew that war between NATO allies Greece and Turkey would follow if Turkey took the whole island. Turkey wanted the same as Britain (for different reasons), a base, why would it saddle itself with half a million hostile Greek Cypriots, what would it do with them, kill them, expel them, face another Eoka style insurrection ?

[Don Kelley]

But the reality is that the British ... ARE STILL HERE!

And if they hadn't been the Turks would now control the whole of the island.Amazing how many Greeks sought refuge on the SBAs when these so called Eoka heroes ran from the Turks, maybe they'd like to tell us how they were safe from the Turks on the SBAs.

1 More rubbish, after the initial invasion Turks demanded 34% of the island from Clerides, Clerides was denied time to consult with others and the Turks took what they had asked for and a bit more to "barter" with. Kissinger was pulling the strings from behind the scenes, he knew that war between NATO allies Greece and Turkey would follow if Turkey took the whole island. Turkey wanted the same as Britain (for different reasons), a base, why would it saddle itself with 2 half a million hostile Greek Cypriots, what would it do with them, kill them, expel them, face another Eoka style insurrection ?

War between Greece and Turkey, now that would have been a laugh.

My Bold1= Strange isn't it that the Turks stopped their advance on the eastern side of the island only when confronted by Gurkhas.
My Bold 2= Well their hostile stance wouldn't have got them very far with the Turks, who, unlike the British would have shot them down at every opportunity.

[AEKTZIS]

Don Kelley - fuck off. Cyprus was never British and never will be. You clearly have a British inferiority complex against the Cypriots.

Fuck the Queen and fuck the imperialist pigs in their bases in Cyprus. Colonialist pigs who slaughtered Cypriots and sowed the seeds of war and invasion.