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[Viewpoint]

Yes, some out-of-the-box thinking is required as both partition and any solutions giving privilege based on ethnicity are out of the question, especially in this day and age (post apartheid South Africa).

What is required is the Cypriotization of Cyprus which should be led by the RoC and formed of a delegation of Cypriots from both sides of the divide to define the following:

1) what it is to be a Cypriot including culture and cuisine etc.
2) a set of values that identifies us as Cypriots.
3) a new flag
4) a new national anthem

These should then be implemented by the RoC, with the removal of the flags of foreign countries as a symbol of the RoC and the replacement of the national anthem.

The display of other flags will be acceptable in places of worship and other specially defined establishments, but banned in Government buildings.

If an establishment, such as a Hotel, wishes to display the flag of Greece, the flag of Turkey must also be displayed along side it and vice-versa.

Affirmation of a visible Cypriot identity by the RoC will then give the TCs trapped in the occupied areas something to aspire to and to eventually join maintream Cypriot society as equal Cypriots and EU citizens.

Will that be in the context of a BBF? which is supported by the UN?

[barouti]

"Why was Britain defeated by EOKA?"

Because they couldnt get away with what they did in Kenya during the same period against the Mau Mau freedom fighters and place entire populations in concentration camps to cut-off support and demoralise the people. It was mono e mono. 40,000 British imperalist troops with the support of the Turks against 500 brave Greeks. Thermopylae re-visited but this time there was no Elphiatides. They came later and seem to have gathered in this forum to give the false impression they're actually in significant numbers when the truth us they only number in the dozens.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Kimyon we can have what you have tomorrow....have you ever thought about that? but we choose not to,

You plunder what we have on a regular basis. Then it turns to ashes in your hands ....

Useless!

[Me Ed]

Yes, some out-of-the-box thinking is required as both partition and any solutions giving privilege based on ethnicity are out of the question, especially in this day and age (post apartheid South Africa).

What is required is the Cypriotization of Cyprus which should be led by the RoC and formed of a delegation of Cypriots from both sides of the divide to define the following:

1) what it is to be a Cypriot including culture and cuisine etc.
2) a set of values that identifies us as Cypriots.
3) a new flag
4) a new national anthem

These should then be implemented by the RoC, with the removal of the flags of foreign countries as a symbol of the RoC and the replacement of the national anthem.

The display of other flags will be acceptable in places of worship and other specially defined establishments, but banned in Government buildings.

If an establishment, such as a Hotel, wishes to display the flag of Greece, the flag of Turkey must also be displayed along side it and vice-versa.

Affirmation of a visible Cypriot identity by the RoC will then give the TCs trapped in the occupied areas something to aspire to and to eventually join maintream Cypriot society as equal Cypriots and EU citizens.

Will that be in the context of a BBF? which is supported by the UN?

The aim of Cypriotization is to break down the barriers that drive a wedge between those that see themselves as Greek and Turk and affirm the primary identity as Cypriot.

So the simple answer to your question is of course yes, and equally it could also work within a unitary Cypriot state.

The aim would be to start within a BBF framework, and in time as the Cypriot identity takes hold and with the possibility of citizens voting patterns changing, see Cyprus transformed into a unitary state.

[Viewpoint]

Yes, some out-of-the-box thinking is required as both partition and any solutions giving privilege based on ethnicity are out of the question, especially in this day and age (post apartheid South Africa).

What is required is the Cypriotization of Cyprus which should be led by the RoC and formed of a delegation of Cypriots from both sides of the divide to define the following:

1) what it is to be a Cypriot including culture and cuisine etc.
2) a set of values that identifies us as Cypriots.
3) a new flag
4) a new national anthem

These should then be implemented by the RoC, with the removal of the flags of foreign countries as a symbol of the RoC and the replacement of the national anthem.

The display of other flags will be acceptable in places of worship and other specially defined establishments, but banned in Government buildings.

If an establishment, such as a Hotel, wishes to display the flag of Greece, the flag of Turkey must also be displayed along side it and vice-versa.

Affirmation of a visible Cypriot identity by the RoC will then give the TCs trapped in the occupied areas something to aspire to and to eventually join maintream Cypriot society as equal Cypriots and EU citizens.

Will that be in the context of a BBF? which is supported by the UN?

The aim of Cypriotization is to break down the barriers that drive a wedge between those that see themselves as Greek and Turk and affirm the primary identity as Cypriot.

So the simple answer to your question is of course yes, and equally it could also work within a unitary Cypriot state.

The aim would be to start within a BBF framework, and in time as the Cypriot identity takes hold and with the possibility of citizens voting patterns changing, see Cyprus transformed into a unitary state.

So pretty much along the lines of the AP which as you know was rejected by GCs.

[barouti]

The aim of Cypriotization is to break down the barriers that drive a wedge between those that see themselves as Greek and Turk and affirm the primary identity as Cypriot.

So the simple answer to your question is of course yes, and equally it could also work within a unitary Cypriot state.

The aim would be to start within a BBF framework, and in time as the Cypriot identity takes hold and with the possibility of citizens voting patterns changing, see Cyprus transformed into a unitary state.

Mr Ed, I've come to the conclusion you are an idiot, and I will be scratching my head why I am even bothering responding to what you post. Firstly, we have two entities, one real and one artificial. Of course you have no idea what I'm talking about so I will point it out: there's the internationally recognised Republic of Cyprus and then there's the Turco-occupied "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus". I know for a fact you haven't noticed how I highlighted the "Turkish" bit and that is because you are too stupid.

Now, I'm sure we've all gathered what you've convinced yourself that GC's arent Greeks, that this miscontruction that has its origins with Greece and Cyprus adopting the common currency in only the last few years. So far you're arguments about a common Cyrpriot identity is placed upon the Greek side for, well, referring to themselves as Greeks (the horror, the horror) and that's well known now. What makes you a hypocrite (or actually a moron) is your failure to criticise the Turco-kibroglus for proclaiming themselves as Turcos. So if it's the common currency that much to your annoyance has created the "confusion" that Kyproi are equated with zee evil Griks then care to explain what makes those mehmets in the occupied-north to consider themselves "Turcos". Repeating myself, you're spending much time expressing your frustration regarding Cypriot=Greek, which we are aware of, don't you think it's time to start attacking the TC's for expressing themselves as "Turcos" just for something different. Because they do prefer to call themselves Turcos and their illegal statelat as "Turkish Republic of..." But of course, while you criticise the Greek side you garner applause from the Turks, which does give you an erection, but if you start challenging their ethnic identity, the same way you challenge the Greek side, you'll instead be met with the chirping of crickets. And you won't feel that important after all, will you?

[supporttheunderdog]

The aim of Cypriotization is to break down the barriers that drive a wedge between those that see themselves as Greek and Turk and affirm the primary identity as Cypriot.

So the simple answer to your question is of course yes, and equally it could also work within a unitary Cypriot state.

The aim would be to start within a BBF framework, and in time as the Cypriot identity takes hold and with the possibility of citizens voting patterns changing, see Cyprus transformed into a unitary state.

Mr Ed, I've come to the conclusion you are an idiot, and I will be scratching my head why I am even bothering responding to what you post. Firstly, we have two entities, one real and one artificial. Of course you have no idea what I'm talking about so I will point it out: there's the internationally recognised Republic of Cyprus and then there's the Turco-occupied "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus". I know for a fact you haven't noticed how I highlighted the "Turkish" bit and that is because you are too stupid.

Now, I'm sure we've all gathered what you've convinced yourself that GC's arent Greeks, that this miscontruction that has its origins with Greece and Cyprus adopting the common currency in only the last few years. So far you're arguments about a common Cyrpriot identity is placed upon the Greek side for, well, referring to themselves as Greeks (the horror, the horror) and that's well known now. What makes you a hypocrite (or actually a moron) is your failure to criticise the Turco-kibroglus for proclaiming themselves as Turcos. So if it's the common currency that much to your annoyance has created the "confusion" that Kyproi are equated with zee evil Griks then care to explain what makes those mehmets in the occupied-north to consider themselves "Turcos". Repeating myself, you're spending much time expressing your frustration regarding Cypriot=Greek, which we are aware of, don't you think it's time to start attacking the TC's for expressing themselves as "Turcos" just for something different. Because they do prefer to call themselves Turcos and their illegal statelat as "Turkish Republic of..." But of course, while you criticise the Greek side you garner applause from the Turks, which does give you an erection, but if you start challenging their ethnic identity, the same way you challenge the Greek side, you'll instead be met with the chirping of crickets. And you won't feel that important after all, will you?

I think you miss the point that one can be pro Cypriot and pro Cyprus without being pro Turkish/Anti Greek. Both Enosis and Takism have been the twin curses of Cyprus, locked together in a grim dance of death.

[Viewpoint]

The aim of Cypriotization is to break down the barriers that drive a wedge between those that see themselves as Greek and Turk and affirm the primary identity as Cypriot.

So the simple answer to your question is of course yes, and equally it could also work within a unitary Cypriot state.

The aim would be to start within a BBF framework, and in time as the Cypriot identity takes hold and with the possibility of citizens voting patterns changing, see Cyprus transformed into a unitary state.

Mr Ed, I've come to the conclusion you are an idiot, and I will be scratching my head why I am even bothering responding to what you post. Firstly, we have two entities, one real and one artificial. Of course you have no idea what I'm talking about so I will point it out: there's the internationally recognised Republic of Cyprus and then there's the Turco-occupied "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus". I know for a fact you haven't noticed how I highlighted the "Turkish" bit and that is because you are too stupid.

Now, I'm sure we've all gathered what you've convinced yourself that GC's arent Greeks, that this miscontruction that has its origins with Greece and Cyprus adopting the common currency in only the last few years. So far you're arguments about a common Cyrpriot identity is placed upon the Greek side for, well, referring to themselves as Greeks (the horror, the horror) and that's well known now. What makes you a hypocrite (or actually a moron) is your failure to criticise the Turco-kibroglus for proclaiming themselves as Turcos. So if it's the common currency that much to your annoyance has created the "confusion" that Kyproi are equated with zee evil Griks then care to explain what makes those mehmets in the occupied-north to consider themselves "Turcos". Repeating myself, you're spending much time expressing your frustration regarding Cypriot=Greek, which we are aware of, don't you think it's time to start attacking the TC's for expressing themselves as "Turcos" just for something different. Because they do prefer to call themselves Turcos and their illegal statelat as "Turkish Republic of..." But of course, while you criticise the Greek side you garner applause from the Turks, which does give you an erection, but if you start challenging their ethnic identity, the same way you challenge the Greek side, you'll instead be met with the chirping of crickets. And you won't feel that important after all, will you?

Is this thing for real? barut you are sick in the head and should be locked up preferably in a straight jacket.

[GreekIslandGirl]

The aim of Cypriotization is to break down the barriers that drive a wedge between those that see themselves as Greek and Turk and affirm the primary identity as Cypriot.

So the simple answer to your question is of course yes, and equally it could also work within a unitary Cypriot state.

The aim would be to start within a BBF framework, and in time as the Cypriot identity takes hold and with the possibility of citizens voting patterns changing, see Cyprus transformed into a unitary state.

Mr Ed, I've come to the conclusion you are an idiot, and I will be scratching my head why I am even bothering responding to what you post. Firstly, we have two entities, one real and one artificial. Of course you have no idea what I'm talking about so I will point it out: there's the internationally recognised Republic of Cyprus and then there's the Turco-occupied "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus". I know for a fact you haven't noticed how I highlighted the "Turkish" bit and that is because you are too stupid.

Now, I'm sure we've all gathered what you've convinced yourself that GC's arent Greeks, that this miscontruction that has its origins with Greece and Cyprus adopting the common currency in only the last few years. So far you're arguments about a common Cyrpriot identity is placed upon the Greek side for, well, referring to themselves as Greeks (the horror, the horror) and that's well known now. What makes you a hypocrite (or actually a moron) is your failure to criticise the Turco-kibroglus for proclaiming themselves as Turcos. So if it's the common currency that much to your annoyance has created the "confusion" that Kyproi are equated with zee evil Griks then care to explain what makes those mehmets in the occupied-north to consider themselves "Turcos". Repeating myself, you're spending much time expressing your frustration regarding Cypriot=Greek, which we are aware of, don't you think it's time to start attacking the TC's for expressing themselves as "Turcos" just for something different. Because they do prefer to call themselves Turcos and their illegal statelat as "Turkish Republic of..." But of course, while you criticise the Greek side you garner applause from the Turks, which does give you an erection, but if you start challenging their ethnic identity, the same way you challenge the Greek side, you'll instead be met with the chirping of crickets. And you won't feel that important after all, will you?

I think you miss the point that one can be pro Cypriot and pro Cyprus without being pro Turkish/Anti Greek. Both Enosis and Takism have been the twin curses of Cyprus, locked together in a grim dance of death.

It is the denial of enosis for Cyprus which consequently led to the (temporary) taksim we have now. Whilst enosis was a natural right of the native Cypriots, taksim never was/is. Even the British eventually admitted enosis with Greece would have allowed peace to prevail in Cyprus.

[repulsewarrior]

Do I have the right to rule my own country, my own airport or administer my own area just like you?

...if you are speaking as an Individual, the answer is yes, because you are as an Individual a Cypriot.

if you are talking as a Person, your Rights are equal to other Persons.

...as i've said before, in that regard you should be asking, "where is the Greek Constituency?"