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by **GreekIslandGirl** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:05 pm

Cyprus would (still) be the Falkland Islands of the Mediterranean if it was not for EOKA. EOKA may have only given us "semi-Independence" but who said the struggle for freedom is somehow over?

by **Jerry** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:26 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Cyprus would (still) be the Falkland Islands of the Mediterranean if it was not for EOKA. EOKA may have only given us "semi-Independence" but who said the struggle for freedom is somehow over?

Bad analogy, the Falklanders want to remain British. The struggle may not be over but the Eoka campaign resulted in the Zurich Agreement which left a Turkish military presence and "legal" rights on the island.

by **GreekIslandGirl** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:38 pm

Jerry wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Cyprus would (still) be the Falkland Islands of the Mediterranean if it was not for EOKA. EOKA may have only given us "semi-Independence" but who said the struggle for freedom is somehow over?

Bad analogy, the Falklanders want to remain British. The struggle may not be over but the Eoka campaign resulted in the Zurich Agreement which left a Turkish military presence and "legal" rights on the island.

I'm talking about the 'rights' Britain claims over the Falklands and not what the present colonisation policy dictates - those 'rights' would be the same as over Cyprus today if it were not for the EOKA struggle. Who knows how many more Brits would live in Cyprus, nowadays, if we did not have semi-independence. Already 80,000 Brits, which is more than the TCs were and look how many rights they gave the TCs for only being a 15% minority (nearly 50% of the going rights).

- But the bits the Brits still claim (Bases) - similar arguments are used. For example, they provide a lot for the local economy by way of employment. They have not been 'asked' to leave so they have a right to stay. They are needed because of conflicts. etc

by **Bananiot** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:46 pm

Even Glafkos Klerides, an EOKA man himself, who defended many EOKA members in the courts as their lawyer, admits in his books that the armed struggle was a mistake. All our problems started on April 1st 1955, when we decided to get rid of Britain with force in order to achieve enosis. That was quite obvious even back then and one does not really need the help of hindsight to arrive at this conclusion. Many people back then warned of the dangers, from right across the political spectrum, but the zealots would not listen. They would simply shoot you for questioning their wisdom.

by **Cap** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:14 pm

not what the present colonisation policy dictates

Same applies to northern Ireland.
Same case northern Cyprus.

Same scenario Britain in 40 years. Enough of a Muslim majority to call the shots, and then its game over for beer loving Brits.

by **kimon07** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:13 am

Bananiot wrote:Even Glafkos Klerides, an EOKA man himself, who defended many EOKA members in the courts as their lawyer, admits in his books that the armed struggle was a mistake. All our problems started on April 1st 1955, when we decided to get rid of Britain with force in order to achieve enosis. That was quite obvious even back then and one does not really need the help of hindsight to arrive at this conclusion. Many people back then warned of the dangers, from right across the political spectrum, but the zealots would not listen. They would simply shoot you for questioning their wisdom.

TRAGIC to know that people like you teach in our schools.

by **supporttheunderdog** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:44 am

One can see how confused Cypriots are about their History when for example (if I understand him right) B25 seems to be denying that the aim of those murdering Eoka Scum was not Enosis while (if understand her correctly GIG is now seeking to say that Grivas (as leader of those even worse scum EOKA B) was behind various plans to kill big Mak in the period 68-73. (As was pointed out to me Grivas died in early 74 and EOKA B was apperntly being marginalised by the Greek Junta when they launched the Greek Invasion as Big Mak put it on 15th July 74, leading to the obvioulsy long planned Turkish invasion of 20th July - this invasion could not have been given any facade of justification except by the attempt to impose Enosis so those people who were behid the plan for Enosis in 1974 are stubstantially to blame for the Turkish Invasion )

by **kurupetos** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:48 am

kimon07 wrote:
Bananiot wrote:Even Glafkos Klerides, an EOKA man himself, who defended many EOKA members in the courts as their lawyer, admits in his books that the armed struggle was a mistake. All our problems started on April 1st 1955, when we decided to get rid of Britain with force in order to achieve enosis. That was quite obvious even back then and one does not really need the help of hindsight to arrive at this conclusion. Many people back then warned of the dangers, from right across the political spectrum, but the zealots would not listen. They would simply shoot you for questioning their wisdom.

TRAGIC to know that people like you teach in our schools.

I have the feeling he was GR's teacher. :cry:

by **kimon07** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:13 am

Bananiot wrote:Even Glafkos Klerides......

You mean the bastard who was prepared to sign Annan Plan II in December 2002 and supported Annan Plan 5 in 2004? God, the seriousness of your sources. :lol: