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[GreekIslandGirl]

I understood you made a claim which you failed to support.

[kimon07]

Would it be him by any chance??

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[AEKTZIS]

AEKTZIS, please inform us on whose side your relatives fought on during the war in Greece. Your love for a fanatical fascist that goes by the name of Grivas, possibly means that they were in the ranks of his fascist organisation known as "Organisation X".

Regarding Sampson, it is well known that he was an executioner. He did not participate in noble battles, but he shot people in the back. Even after independence he murdered a British tourist in Kyrenia, in front of his family, because he thought the hapless man was a torturer during the EOKA period. In any case, if there were any doubts about the character of these people, these were soon dispersed when both Sampson and Grivas conspired to kill Makarios and overthrow the government. They were certainly not true patriots simply because patriots do not behave like this. You can perhaps at best equate them with Marshall Petain, a hero of the First World War for France who later collaborated with the Nazis and was sentenced to death after liberation. De Gaul commuted his sentence to life imprisonment. He was of course disgraced for ever but our Grivas, Sampson, Yiorgadjis and a few others, are still honoured, by who else but the fascists. It is your deeds that labell you AEKTZIS, not what your forefathers did eons ago.

Firstly, my relatives fought in the Greek Army. I am well aware of the actions of Organwsh X, which had Grivas as its leader. I am well aware of their involvement in the Dekemvriana, but for the love of God, please dont assume my humble uncle was some kind of fascist follower of Grivas. All he did was fight for Greek freedom from Nazi occupiers. Organosi X was mostly active in Athens. My uncle fought in Epirus. And he had nothing to do with fascism, nationalism or extremism. You struggle with the concept of a Greek-Cypriot that is patriotic and non-fascist!

You have made another false assumption by assuming that I love Grivas!!!

Grivas is a man for whom I consider neither a hero nor a villain. Is it possible for a man to be both these things? Maybe Grivas is something of that sort. I have not formed a judgement on him. I CERTAINLY DO NOT IDOLISE HIM. Do not fall into the trap of assuming that because I am an EOKA admirer, it automatically means I love Grivas.

I admire Grivas for his tenacity and fight for Enosis, but I am disgusted with some of his actions in Greece with Organosi X. The man is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Greeks in WW2. I am very disturbed by his hatred for Communists and subsequent actions with X - the Greek communists of the 1940s fought harder than anyone else for Greece's freedom from Nazism and oppression. So no, I do not idolise him.

It is indeed my deeds which label me, and not those of my forefathers. But do not assume anything about me. I find it interesting that when you see someone that is an EOKA supporter, or claims they are a Hellene, you make the assumption that they are a fascist and a supporter of Sampson, Grivas and Georkatzis. I support none of these men nor do I support their actions. Don't be fooled into making generalisations.

[AEKTZIS]

There are just as many photos of TCs being persecuted and treated badly by GCs what do you hope to prove?

What do I hope to prove?

Your sentence just proved it for me. Because you are right, there are many photos of TCs persecued by GCs. BOTH SIDES MADE MISTAKES. I never disagreed with your bully analogy, I simply stated that one bully was worse than the other.

DIFFERENCE IS: YOU WILL NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS SEE ME TAKE PRIDE IN THE ATROCITIES COMMITTED BY GREEK CYPRIOTS. I weep when I see those fucking photos. I don't take pride in murder, or pain, or suffering, or destruction. Your response of "thank God for the turkish army's actions" makes me speechless.

[Bananiot]

But, you do take Grivas for granted, don't you AEKTZIS? You quote him with pride:

'Eoka harmed only those who harmed us; I never ordered an attack on a woman or child throughout the struggle and anything of the sort would have been severely punished.'* - COLONEL GEORGE GRIVAS.

Is this so, have you wondered? Who was severely punished for murdering women and kids (a 12 year old in Milia, Famagusta district 1958). EOKA took full responsibility through the spokesman of the organisation (T. Papadopoulos) who branded all those murdered by EOKA traitors. The young lady in Famagusta who was shot in the back while shopping merrily, was sent to her creator at the tender age of 18, but her murderers still reign supreme.

[kimon07]

If you are having the shit kicked out of you and someone comes to protect and save you giving the first bully a taste of his own medicine then all ı can say is thank god for the person that had the courage to step in.

If you continue posting TMT propaganda shit you will force me to post again the quotes of TC and foreign authors and reporters about who is to blame for the partition and the intercommunal conflict. Don't be boring. Stay up there in your isolation with your Mongol masters and stop filling thew forum with Mongol crap.

[AEKTZIS]

But, you do take Grivas for granted, don't you AEKTZIS? You quote him with pride:

'Eoka harmed only those who harmed us; I never ordered an attack on a woman or child throughout the struggle and anything of the sort would have been severely punished.'* - COLONEL GEORGE GRIVAS.

Is this so, have you wondered? Who was severely punished for murdering women and kids (a 12 year old in Milia, Famagusta district 1958). EOKA took full responsibility through the spokesman of the organisation (T. Papadopoulos) who branded all those murdered by EOKA traitors. The young lady in Famagusta who was shot in the back while shopping merrily, was sent to her creator at the tender age of 18, but her murderers still reign supreme.

That is not "quoting Grivas with pride". I made a claim that EOKA were not terrorists, and then I quoted the LEADER OF EOKA to support this claim. There is a difference between quoting for the sake of historical truth and me quoting Charles de Gaulle. If I quote Hitler to support a point I make about Nazis, does it make me a Nazi sympathiser? But Hitler, being the leader of the Nazis, is the most directly quotable man. I am not comparing EOKA to Nazis by any means because I am an EOKA-sympathiser, but the point remains the same. The leader of any group is the most logical man to quote, when making claims about said group.

EOKA probably killed the poor girl as a "revenge attack" over a Greek Cypriot woman killed by accident in Famagusta by the British. A woman was shot to death accidentally by a ricocheted bullet and EOKA considered this reason enough to launch a revenge attack. I do not consider random civilian attacks a trait of EOKA's military tactics, at least not enough to consider them a terrorist group. The colonialist British, who went from country to country, sowing the seeds of destruction whilst raping countries of their natural resources, turning countrymen against each other, and creating slave trades, will always point to EOKA as a terrorist group to further their agenda. But despite EOKA's killing of Greek-Cypriots and civilians (which did occur), they were an organisation with the majority support of its people. The people of Cyprus supported them, unlike EOKA B who were much different in nature to EOKA. The British spread many lies about EOKA to undermine them, and they created propaganda which was essentially lies about EOKA, to tarnish its name amongst Greek Cypriots. They spread lies about Afxentiou (saying he committed suicide before he died and that his dead body was found with a copy of Kazantzakis' "Christ Recrucified" next to it, given to him by Maxairas monks. Both of these were lies). Likewise they lied about Kyriakos Matsis, saying that he too killed himself with a bullet to the head before his death. Lies again.

British always mention the murder of Catherine Cutliffe. But do they ever mention the murder of Petrakis Giallouros? a 16-year old kid killed in cold blood unjustifiably? No, they don't. Because he was just a terrorist pig, apparently. Whenever you ask a Brit about Petrakis Giallouros, he will point to his propaganda papers and tell you that the British had to kill him as he was armed and dangerous. LIES.

A look at a British propaganda leaflet of the time, about wanted men of EOKA, reveals the following:

YIALLOUROS, Petros : He was a Cypriot member of ANE, EOKA's youth movement. Born in Rizokarpaso on 29 August 1938, he attended the Ammochostos Greek High School of where, he became responsible for organizing his fellow students and distributing anti-British propaganda leaflets. Among his many EOKA duties was to transport weapons and messages between gangs. He joined the ranks of dead terrorist 'heroes' when he led a student riot on 07.02.56 and British troops were forced to break it up after they were stoned. According to legend, his last words were: 'Long live Enosis!'

Interestingly phrased to support the British fascist colonialist child-murderers, don't you think? These propagandists claim that the British were "forced to break up a riot" and so they did. BY KILLING CHILDREN WITH BULLETS IN COLD BLOOD. Children throwing stones in protest was a common feature of EOKA-era school protests. No weapons were used by children capable of firing bullets, no guns, they used stones. The British categorically failed to bring Greek Cypriot children on their side, with their grand plan of reducing Greek language curriculum of school and increasing the number of English lessons. The Greek-Cypriot kids wanted Enosis. Petrakis Giallouros was one of them. If you believe the Brits in everything they say, you would believe he was a terrorist. For shame. He was just a kid.

Again, very interesting how these Brits are so good at bringing up Catherine Cutliffe like clockwork to say EOKA were terrorists, yet the cold-blooded murder of 16-year old Petrakis Giallouros by British troops goes on ignored. Very interesting. British terrorists.

[B25]

EOKA probably killed the poor girl as a "revenge attack" over a Greek Cypriot woman killed by accident in Famagusta by the British. A woman was shot to death accidentally by a ricocheted bullet and EOKA considered this reason enough to launch a revenge attack.

Her name was Loukia, she was murdered by the British in the village of Avgorou, Famagusta. I say murdered, as why else would the british be firing live rounds in a small village??

[AEKTZIS]

I don't know but I just consulted my "Big Book of Stereotypical EOKA-era British Propaganda to Prolong the Continued Enslavement of Cypriot People" and it says the following:

"The British in the area of Avgorou were acting under peaceful orders of "Firmness with courtesy", working as routine search parties in the homes of the local cyps, before being ambushed by a group of violent and armed children terrorists. In an unrelated event, 3 Sten guns had previously been stolen from an arms depot transferring weapons from the Suez to battalions in Cyprus. It was assumed that these guns were in the possession of children. They had been intercepted, by a highly armed and dangerous EOKA terrorist by the nom-de-guerre of Mitsios. Lancashire 3 regiment was acting as search party when the ambush occurred just outside the main church of the village. The regiment came under fire from stone, with severe bruises, pinned down and outnumbered. "Shoot to kill" became the priority for escape and the regiment began opening fire upon the terrorists inflicting a number of casualties before managing to escape and treat the wounded. No women were injured in the attack."

[Jerry]

Well, for the sake of debate, I do not know how Grivas came up with the idea to conspire against Makarios. Perhaps he thought that Makarios gave up enosis, or perhaps he thought that Makarios went about achieving enosis at a snail's pace. On the other hand, perhaps he went to sleep one night and had a nightmare, such as the one that gave him the idea to start a war against an empire, regardless of the consequences on his country.

Makarios was considering giving up Enosis in favour of independence as early as 1958. Grivas was upset and shocked at this he strongly opposed the idea and responded with bombs and bullets, he was determined to beat the British and achieve union with Greece. Britain punished the Greek Cypriots for the Eoka struggle, Cyprus ended up with pseudo independence and a Turkish influence and presence on the island - the foot in the door. Grivas was a soldier not a politician yet he felt that he had the right to over-rule Makarios and use force rather than negotiations to determine the island's future. His campaign was a failure (and with hindsight unnecessary) in that it did not achieve its aim of Enosis.

Does anyone honestly believe that Cyprus would still be a British colony if the Eoka campaign had not taken place; in that respect it was also a failure.