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[GreekIslandGirl]

Bananiot, do not call me a fascist. I loathe fascism. Fascism leads to destruction and hatred. There is no good to ever come from a fascist society. That is why members of my family gave everything they had to fight against fascism in 1940 in Epirus, and then 15 years after that to fight the British fascists that plagued our island for 70 years preventing us from knowing freedom. My uncle Elisseos was a villager from Paphos, a humble man, a good Cypriot, and he gave everything he had to volunteer to fight for Greece's freedom from Nazi fascism.

So he went to Epirus and joined many thousands of other patriotic Cypriots in the fight against Mussolini and Hitler, fighting bravely in the mountains. What for? They were under no obligation as Cyprus was not under immediate threat of Axis occupation. They did it through their love of freedom and because they believed in what was right. Ironically, it is these very patriotic Cypriots that you shamefully brand "fascists" confusing our patriotism for fascism. How dare you. This is one of the biggest insults I can receive; to be branded a fascist, because the truth is that you do not know ANYTHING ABOUT ME to label me a fascist. You are driven by ignorance. It is ignorant people like you that blind a nation; a nation led by ignorant, BIGOTED people like you is a hopeless one.

I loathe fascists, they were responsible for the death of thousands, no, over a million Greeks. I suggest you go to Kalavryta and Distomo to appreciate more about what Greeks went through under fascism, before you carelessly and insensitively label us fascists. Take a walk up the memorial steps at Kalavryta and see if you feel the same way. Or take a visit to Crete and see the barbarity under which normal people lived and died under fascist occupation. Maybe then you can think twice before liberally throwing this word around left, right and center.

Bigoted people like you will never understand the difference between patriotism and fascism. I think of it like a handicap. Just as a blind person cannot view the physical world around them because they do not possess the ability of sight, YOU do not possess the capacity to differentiate between political beliefs. You are handicapped, Bananiot. I will try and educate you. Charles de Gaulle, the great Frenchman, said it best:

“Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.”

Bananiot, another reason why you should not label me a fascist. EOKA B and bastard Sampson had members of my family on death lists. My grandfather was sought in 1970s to be executed simply because he labelled Sampson an incompetent man. Evidently, that judgement was true. My grandfather was sought to be killed by fascist Greeks in Cyprus, as he was a respected individual, a teacher and an influential person in the village. As events panned out, his daughter became ill so he had to move to England for her medical treatment. EOKA B wanted him dead, though. So don't ever class me in the same name as fascist pigs again.

Wonderful to hear of these valiant and noble actions; binding us in a common and shared history of survival and preservation for our ideals of freedom and democracy.

[Schnauzer]

In order to understand the 'Logic' of those who cannot comprehend the difference between a 'Freedom Fighter' and a 'Terrorist', one must be able to accept that the 'Aggressor' is always 'Right'.

Once such 'Brainwashing' has taken effect, the roles reverse and the aggressive superior invading forces are seen by 'The Brainwashed' as 'Heroes', whilst those who oppose them become 'Terrorists' and 'Cowards'.

Therefore, one should sympathise with those who are unable to grasp such obvious distortions, it serves no purpose to contest their biased opinions, they are too far gone to be reasoned with and can only cause distress to those who do not share their 'Blinkered' views.

Strangely enough, back in their 'Own Country' (specifically the UK) the poor downtrodden folk are unable to grasp the fact that 'THEY' are actually under fire from their own 'Governments', it may well be that very soon 'THEY' will be forced to fight for their 'Freedom' and become 'Terrorists' themselves.

[bsharpish]

I'd have thought that it's easy to determine the difference.

A freedom fighter , in my opinion, fights for liberty against the oppressing goverment and armed forces.

A terrorist targets the above but also innocent civilians ( often indiscriminately) in order to create fear and division .

Often the effect of the latter incites the oppressor to "fight fire with fire"

Examples of terrorism - Pub Bombings, Omagh, 9/11 and in this context The murder of Catherine Cutliffe - With the inevitable spectacularly stupid and brutal over reaction this incident caused.

As a whole war/armed conflict is a dirty business from which no side emerges without the blood on its hands, however, NO ONE can be called a hero who's hands are smeared with the blood of innocents.

Unfortunately history also tends to get "airbrushed" due to the fog of war, the conflicts winners/losers own agendas and especially the influence of politics.
This leads to the glorification of some pretty ruthless and unpleasant individuals be they "freedom fighter" or "Occupier".

[loyalcypriot10]

“Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first;

Who are "your own people"? Cypriots , GCs , TCs? Surely, for Cyprus ALL Cypriots come first . The facists of this Forum love the Greek foreigners of Greece first before their own Cypriot people.





; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.”

The fascists on this Forum hate their OWN Cypriot people.

[Schnauzer]

Which is precisely 'WHY' one must be able to adopt the principle that "The Aggressor is always right" in order to justify the labelling of a 'Freedom Fighter' as a 'Terrorist'.

No person ever got up one morning and decided to attack the UK (or other Nation) without a just reason.

Retaliatory actions are BOUND to occur when overwhelming forces (Bullies therefore Cowards) attack much weaker forces who are obliged to resort to whatever means are at their disposal in order to highlight their plight.

Or do you agree that 'Might is Right' ?, which would place you in the ranks of 'The Brainwashed'.

At least your comments confirm that it is wrong to endow the one with the 'Blood of Innocents' on their hands with the title 'Hero', although I doubt those words would receive much agreement back in the land of 'The Bulldog Breed'.

[Viewpoint]

Which is precisely 'WHY' one must be able to adopt the principle that "The Aggressor is always right" in order to justify the labelling of a 'Freedom Fighter' as a 'Terrorist'.

No person ever got up one morning and decided to attack the UK (or other Nation) without a just reason.

Retaliatory actions are BOUND to occur when overwhelming forces (Bullies therefore Cowards) attack much weaker forces who are obliged to resort to whatever means are at their disposal in order to highlight their plight.

Or do you agree that 'Might is Right' ?, which would place you in the ranks of 'The Brainwashed'.

At least your comments confirm that it is wrong to endow the one with the 'Blood of Innocents' on their hands with the title 'Hero', although I doubt those words would receive much agreement back in the land of 'The Bulldog Breed'.

So if a bully is kicking the shit out of someone and a bigger bully comes along and kicks the shit out of the fisrst bully who is to blame ? the first or the second bully?

[AEKTZIS]

The second one because you conveniently forgot to mention the bit where he rapes and kills the first bully, and steals half of his possessions as "punishment". The second bully also has a criminal record and previous convictions of assault and murder, namely Kurds and Armenians. Essentially what you are saying is equivalent to defending murderous loan sharks. Not only is it a bizarre and unjustifiable claim, it is backwards and morally abominable:

"Why are loan sharks bad? When someone is owed money, a loan shark acts on his behalf to beat the shit out of the debtor and take the money that he owes. A loan shark does not target someone who is innocent, only those that owe money. Any actions done by the loan shark to assault or kill are justifiable because the man he kills or assaults has done harm."


This is a medieval way of thinking. This kind of mentality belongs in 1500 Ottoman dominion. Justifying death and rape is pathetic.

[bsharpish]

I'll keep my response in context ......

Shooting unarmed women (on a shopping trip) in the back is an act of barbarism without justification and imho terrorism ...... Any organisation that condones or undertakes such actions crosses the line between freedom fighter and terrorist.

The brutal response was just as much an act of terror and was a good example of both the escalation of brutality and a classic case of occupier turned oppressor.

I can think of few heroic freedom fighters ......... Other than the obvious "great soul" himself

[Jerry]

I suppose the freedom fighters were justified in killing many of their own innocent people too? The whole nasty business takes a different dimension when the names of the victims are read.

No doubt this site, http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cypru ... okavictims will be dismissed because it has a British source. The casualty figures at the end of the page, however, make interesting reading especially for the proponents of "the Turkish Cypriot genocide" theory.

[AEKTZIS]

bsharpish what you say makes a lot of sense, you are correct in your definition of terrorists and freedom fighter, but you forgot ONE THING:

Terrorist groups take responsibility for terrorist actions. ALWAYS. Al-Qaeda was quick to boast about responsibility for 9/11, the IRA took claim for the Omagh bombings etc. Terrorists claim responsibility for their terrorist actions and then try to justify them.

EOKA denied any involvement with the murder of Catherine Sutcliffe, in fact this was an event which caused acute embarassment for EOKA and was detrimental to their plans. You are mistaken for assuming that the actions of one-two men are representative of ALL of them. i.e. just because one man kills another am I to assume that all men are murderers? Likewise just because one Greek-Cypriot kills a woman am I to assume that all Greek-Cypriots of 1955-59 were "terrorists"?

NO.

The real terrorists were of course the colonialist British.

'Eoka harmed only those who harmed us; I never ordered an attack on a woman or child throughout the struggle and anything of the sort would have been severely punished.'* - COLONEL GEORGE GRIVAS.