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[yialousa1971]

if they get the turks out they can have it. Gas for Turks is a fair swap, yes???

Maybe, but as cynic (in the modern sense rather than like the ancient Greek "dogs" ) or skeptic, when it comes to the great game of geopolitics, and particular (but not limited to) when either the USA or Russia are involved I am always highly sceptical about motives, the more so with Putin involved. Could the price of Putin's support for Cyprus (and Greece) be one we do not want to pay? He amd his cronies have raped Russia (for man on modest income he is apparently personally very wealthy, reputedly the wealthiet in Russia) and I question whether Cyprus (and Greece) is at risk of bending over to be taken from behind.

Britain brought the Turks back to Cyprus not Russia, stop trying to cover up this up.

[yialousa1971]

In its modern sense it has moved away from the practice of an aesthetic virtuous life didsdaining material things to a belief on the part of the modern Cynic that no-one acts from a sense of Altruism but everyone has a baser personal motive for helping others as it may provide a personal advantage.

Very true. Therefore, to come back to the topic. Being cynical, Cyprus MUST give a "foot hold" to the Russians in the East Med. Matter of National Advantage. After all, they helped us financially (2.5b) while no others did (EU, US, UK etc). Additionally, THEY (and the French) sold us weapons when we needed them braking the Anglo-American embargo.

The Russians sold Cyprus the S300 defence system better than any junk the Anglo's make. But the Anglo's made sure it wasn't installed in Cyprus

[humanist]

I disagree with giving Turks gas to get out. They don't deserve it .... you don't reward a thief by giving them more, they go straight to gaol. The UN needs to honour their resolutions on Cyprus and ensure they implement a strategy to get the Turks out. For me an economic embargoe onTurkey should be sufficient, ending EU membership talk should also be sufficient.

[B25]

I disagree with giving Turks gas to get out. They don't deserve it .... you don't reward a thief by giving them more, they go straight to gaol. The UN needs to honour their resolutions on Cyprus and ensure they implement a strategy to get the Turks out. For me an economic embargoe onTurkey should be sufficient, ending EU membership talk should also be sufficient.

The gas wasn't for the turds, it was for russia to get them out. Do not expect the corrupt UN and EU to do anything, we need to find other means.

[kimon07]

In its modern sense it has moved away from the practice of an aesthetic virtuous life didsdaining material things to a belief on the part of the modern Cynic that no-one acts from a sense of Altruism but everyone has a baser personal motive for helping others as it may provide a personal advantage.

Very true. Therefore, to come back to the topic. Being cynical, Cyprus MUST give a "foot hold" to the Russians in the East Med. Matter of National Advantage. After all, they helped us financially (2.5b) while no others did (EU, US, UK etc). Additionally, THEY (and the French) sold us weapons when we needed them braking the Anglo-American embargo.

The Russians sold Cyprus the S300 defence system better than any junk the Anglo's make. But the Anglo's made sure it wasn't installed in Cyprus

True. And the T80 tanks (84 of them) and 42 Armoured Fighting Vehicles, (maybe we got another 42 later?) and 12 attack helicopters (Gen. Florakis was "conveniently" killed when one of them crashed during a night exercise) etc.

[kurupetos]

We should rely on our own forces, and the only way to do that it's by building a large-scale WMD system.

After Mari? You trust the CNG to be responsible for looking after anything more lethal than a pea-shooter?

No, I will be responsible, who I can trust.

[wyoming cowboy]

Very true. Therefore, to come back to the topic. Being cynical, Cyprus MUST give a "foot hold" to the Russians in the East Med. Matter of National Advantage. After all, they helped us financially (2.5b) while no others did (EU, US, UK etc). Additionally, THEY (and the French) sold us weapons when we needed them braking the Anglo-American embargo.

Never before has so much rubbish been condensed into just 3 lines. The Russians will not save us like they did not save us in 1974 when war between Greece and Turkey served their interests which amounted to the break up of the south east wing of NATO. We made a choice to be part of the EU and we must stick with this. Already we are behaving (thanks to Christofias) as the representatives of Russia to the EU, sacrificing our interests for the benefits of Putin's Russia. We tried these tactics prior to 1974 but we have not learned anything from the calamity that ensued. It is totally treacherous to even contemplate such behaviour when we should be talking about the need to join NATO. Our survival is on the line and the loan we secured from Putin (loan that we will repay with interest) perhaps it is an indication of our behaviour within the EU that has made us the black sheepm of our European partners. Kimon wants to give a foot hold to Russia. What a stupid man!

I agree with you Bananiot, 100 percent, being part of the pre 74 crowd, that same sense of playing one superpower over the other sounds very familiar. I think i mentioned before that people were seriously looking for Soviet ships to gather around Cyprus after the coup and Turk invasion. The Ethnarch Makarios was always being shown receiving or attending east bloc receptions......Cyprus is in no position to tip the worlds balance of power, through any kind of byzantine intrique like we thought we could before.