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[kimon07]

....Eroglu is only voicing what the majority of GCs think and say on this forum everyday...why are they so surprised?

I regret to say that for once I will agree with you. Eroglu just got the arguments offered to him by our neo Cypriot Choirokoitians and used them. It serves them right. I am delighted.

And unfortunately, what Eroglu said is heard also by "GC" official sources and lips, not excluding some University of Cyprus professors. Let me remind the forum members that even the Archbishop, last month, condemned such "teachings" in GC schools.

[humanist]

Revenge, that is in your little unexpansive mind VP.

[repulsewarrior]

vp, i do not hold "Greeks" blameless, and i know that Denktash was a contemporary just as skilled as Makarios; historically they played their role as Cypriots. as well as Patriots for their causes as Persons. i don't recall the Turkish Army wanting to shoot (murder) Denktash, but that is the difference between them.

your sense of History leaves the Turkish Cypriots defensless and helpless, my sense is that within the population divided there was the opportunity to exploit fear. it culminated, as we know disastrously with the 'fait accompli', Cypriots even more isolated as victims of a Proxy war caught between the interlocutors.

...vp, did that mass, the GC as you call them, rise up to aid (or at least support) the Junta`s coup? and of the missing and murdered, how many of them were the ones who stayed because they were close to their land; does it matter if they are Turcophone or Grecophone? beside the Rule of Law, the British gave us the opportunity to become Great Cooperators, did you know that Cyprus was the most Socialised Country in the world?

...revenge indeed, if we were to rise up as Human Beings to defend the Universal Principals "Greeks" and "Turks" dismiss (or want exclusively for themselves).

[kimon07]

.....the majority of GCs hate TCs they want revenge from the TCs but keep this deep down which is far more dangerous than anything Eroglu could say..

Revenge did you say?

Maybe you didn't realise it but we already HAD our revenge long time ago. It came (and will keep coming) in small but very painful (for you) doses.

I am referring to our status as the only legitimate state entity on Cyprus, our economical growth compared to your misery, our full EU member status (thanks to EOKA fighter Tassos Papadopoulos and thanks to your three stooges Denktash, Gul and Erdogan) while your are still isolated due to Turkey and your leaders, and finally, by becoming (thanks to Tassos again) a major energy player in Europe. And our EU presidency is coming up, don't forget. That will be another small dose. And then, there will be the contracts for the drilling rights for the other gas fields in our EEZ and the contracts for the supply of Europe with our gas etc., etc., etc. Oh yes. I should not forget. The fact that most TCs, including some prominent "politicians" of yours, are getting RoC passports in order to become European and free themselves from the isolation to which Turkey and the likes of you have forced the TC minority community of Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

Its all worth it plus a 100 times more for the 37% TRNC even with all its problems. Good luck to you, nothing is as rosy as you try to make it Greece is also in the EU and look what happened there. Your mindset means that we are being punished by every country whose figures (not always to be trusted) show they are prospering, then you should be very worried there far better countries than yourselves. As i keep repeating as you people as so moronic that you dont want to understand, what you peddle can be taken up by TCs tomorrow, they dont because what you have is not what we want or we would all move south...please try and understand this reality. As for "benefits" you would cancel these immediately if the consequences weren't so severe, the TCs would be recognized the next day and you know it, so the benefits you boast about having sole recognitions rights far outweigh any little trinkets you may put in front of the TCs.

[wyoming cowboy]

Its all worth it plus a 100 times more for the 37% TRNC even with all its problems. Good luck to you, nothing is as rosy as you try to make it Greece is also in the EU and look what happened there. Your mindset means that we are being punished by every country whose figures (not always to be trusted) show they are prospering, then you should be very worried there far better countries than yourselves. As i keep repeating as you people as so moronic that you dont want to understand, what you peddle can be taken up by TCs tomorrow, they dont because what you have is not what we want or we would all move south...please try and understand this reality. As for "benefits" you would cancel these immediately if the consequences weren't so severe, the TCs would be recognized the next day and you know it, so the benefits you boast about having sole recognitions rights far outweigh any little trinkets you may put in front of the TCs.

I think the main problem with you Vp is that you dont think the tc can compete effectively with the Gc and in time they will be swallowed up. Again I am reiterating that you Vp are using Gc owned lands to prosper monetarily and a solution would force you to give up these stolen lands.

[Cap]

.....the majority of GCs hate TCs they want revenge from the TCs but keep this deep down which is far more dangerous than anything Eroglu could say..

Revenge did you say?

Maybe you didn't realise it but we already HAD our revenge long time ago. It came (and will keep coming) in small but very painful (for you) doses.

I am referring to our status as the only legitimate state entity on Cyprus, our economical growth compared to your misery, our full EU member status (thanks to EOKA fighter Tassos Papadopoulos and thanks to your three stooges Denktash, Gul and Erdogan) while your are still isolated due to Turkey and your leaders, and finally, by becoming (thanks to Tassos again) a major energy player in Europe. And our EU presidency is coming up, don't forget. That will be another small dose. And then, there will be the contracts for the drilling rights for the other gas fields in our EEZ and the contracts for the supply of Europe with our gas etc., etc., etc. Oh yes. I should not forget. The fact that most TCs, including some prominent "politicians" of yours, are getting RoC passports in order to become European and free themselves from the isolation to which Turkey and the likes of you have forced the TC minority community of Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

Its all worth it plus a 100 times more for the 37% TRNC even with all its problems. Good luck to you, nothing is as rosy as you try to make it Greece is also in the EU and look what happened there. Your mindset means that we are being punished by every country whose figures (not always to be trusted) show they are prospering, then you should be very worried there far better countries than yourselves. As i keep repeating as you people as so moronic that you dont want to understand, what you peddle can be taken up by TCs tomorrow, they dont because what you have is not what we want or we would all move south...please try and understand this reality. As for "benefits" you would cancel these immediately if the consequences weren't so severe, the TCs would be recognized the next day and you know it, so the benefits you boast about having sole recognitions rights far outweigh any little trinkets you may put in front of the TCs.

I think the main problem with you Vp is that you dont think the tc can compete effectively with the Gc and in time they will be swallowed up. Again I am reiterating that you Vp are using Gc owned lands to prosper monetarily and a solution would force you to give up these stolen lands.

Would you be referring to me personally, well you are 100% wrong, i dont own or use disputed land but you have taken my land in the south and you will not give it back.

As for GC competition and them swallowing us up well this is very much related to creating a level playing field which would be the job of the majority which unfortunately for us are the GCs. SO this in itself would place us in a position of danger and your scenario could pan out but we are not stupid to accept a solution that would place us in this position, thats why we demand checks and guarantees against such risks.

[wyoming cowboy]

Its all worth it plus a 100 times more for the 37% TRNC even with all its problems. Good luck to you, nothing is as rosy as you try to make it Greece is also in the EU and look what happened there. Your mindset means that we are being punished by every country whose figures (not always to be trusted) show they are prospering, then you should be very worried there far better countries than yourselves. As i keep repeating as you people as so moronic that you dont want to understand, what you peddle can be taken up by TCs tomorrow, they dont because what you have is not what we want or we would all move south...please try and understand this reality. As for "benefits" you would cancel these immediately if the consequences weren't so severe, the TCs would be recognized the next day and you know it, so the benefits you boast about having sole recognitions rights far outweigh any little trinkets you may put in front of the TCs.

I think the main problem with you Vp is that you dont think the tc can compete effectively with the Gc and in time they will be swallowed up. Again I am reiterating that you Vp are using Gc owned lands to prosper monetarily and a solution would force you to give up these stolen lands.

Would you be referring to me personally, well you are 100% wrong, i dont own or use disputed land but you have taken my land in the south and you will not give it back.

As for GC competition and them swallowing us up well this is very much related to creating a level playing field which would be the job of the majority which unfortunately for us are the GCs. SO this in itself would place us in a position of danger and your scenario could pan out but we are not stupid to accept a solution that would place us in this position, thats why we demand checks and guarantees against such risks.

Checks and guarantees are in the judicial system of the Republic of Cyprus, which I would have to say needs to be seriously upgraded, in order to fullfil its duties,of upholding the rule of law and swift blind justice. on the other hand you are asking for checks and guarantees that will take away from the rights of the majority Greek cyps. The easier course of action would be to upgrade the judicial system of the Republic of Cyprus and its future 2 constituent states.

[Viewpoint]

Cowboy 2 states is fine by me as long as you rule the south and I can rule the north indefinitely meaning not having any loopholes that will allow either side to take control over the whole island.