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[bill cobbett]

The whole of the following is my opinion...

http://www.soca.gov.uk/news/432-judge-r ... al-profits refers

All will know that Gary Robb is currently serving a prison sentence in the Republic for leading the AGA Developments company in the illegal development and attempted theft of land in the Occupied Areas which belongs to the Republic and to Refugees who were forced from their lands by the TA.

The lands in question are within the bounds of Occupied Klepini, which is a few miles to the east of Kyrenia and about half-way between the coast and the Pentathactylos and is sometimes referred to as the Amaranta development. A development which took deposits from would-be CarpetBuggers for houses that were built without the permission of the land-owners, without the consent of the Republic's Planning Dept, without proper kochans etc etc and were left unfinished.

Earlier today, following proceedings by the GB Serious Organised Crime Organisation, the GB High Court ruled that Robb is to repay some GB£1.6 million to the would-be CarpetChancing "victims" of the scam as this money was the proceeds of crime. The High Court said...

"Robb had derived the money through fraud, in particular obtaining property by deception and conspiracy to defraud, in connection with property development schemes in north Cyprus."

Feel it important to look at that from another and I feel the right perspective by saying that the would-be Carpetbagging "victims" were not, in my humble opinion, victims at all but either...

1. Fellow fraudsters with Robb, co-conspirators who conspired to trespass and worse by building on the land of others. To attempt to fraudulently gain from the misery of others.

Or (and of course most Carpetbaggers claim this one now)...

2. Didn't know the land in question belonged to people forced soooo violently from their homes in "74, even though a simple check of the Land Registry of the Republic would have told them who the land belonged to. (Even if the empty and looted churches, desecrated cemeteries etc etc didn't.)

My view and it's a view shared by the Laws of the Republic that put Robb away, is that the so-called "victims" conspired with Robb to deprive property owners and they should not get a penny of compensation and the £1.6 million be paid in to the public purse.

[B25]

My view and it's a view shared by the Laws of the Republic that put Robb away, is that the so-called "victims" conspired with Robb to deprive property owners and they should not get a penny of compensation and the £1.6 million be paid in to the public purse.

This money should be paid into the RoC refugee fund. Rewarding the carpetbaggers with their proceeds back is like condoning their actions in the first place.

Infact, they should collect the Cbaggers details and send them all summonds for attempting to purchase stolen goods.

[Maximus]

My view and it's a view shared by the Laws of the Republic that put Robb away, is that the so-called "victims" conspired with Robb to deprive property owners and they should not get a penny of compensation and the £1.6 million be paid in to the public purse.

This money should be paid into the RoC refugee fund. Rewarding the carpetbaggers with their proceeds back is like condoning their actions in the first place.

Infact, they should collect the Cbaggers details and send them all summonds for attempting to purchase stolen goods.

Turkey Pays into the RoC refugee fund.

This £1.6 million goes back to the "victims", otherwise known as the carpetbaggers.

The property plus the development goes to the original legal owner, otherwise known as the "refugee"

The Legal owner or the "refugee" can prosecute for trespassing and demand the removal of the "victim" from their property or come to an agreement where the "victim" pays rent for a specific period of time or even sell it to them.

From a purely commercial and financial perspective, the "carpetbaggers" have been scammed through the issue of counterfeit title deeds and there should be some form of buyers protection for those who wake up and go seeking a remedy.

[bill cobbett]

My view and it's a view shared by the Laws of the Republic that put Robb away, is that the so-called "victims" conspired with Robb to deprive property owners and they should not get a penny of compensation and the £1.6 million be paid in to the public purse.

This money should be paid into the RoC refugee fund. Rewarding the carpetbaggers with their proceeds back is like condoning their actions in the first place.

Infact, they should collect the Cbaggers details and send them all summonds for attempting to purchase stolen goods.

Turkey Pays into the RoC refugee fund.

This £1.6 million goes back to the "victims", otherwise known as the carpetbaggers.

The property plus the development goes to the original legal owner, otherwise known as the "refugee"

The Legal owner or the "refugee" can prosecute for trespassing and demand the removal of the "victim" from their property or come to an agreement where the "victim" pays rent for a specific period of time or even sell it to them.

From a purely commercial and financial perspective, the "carpetbaggers" have been scammed through the issue of counterfeit title deeds and there should be some form of buyers protection for those who wake up and go seeking a remedy.

Again it has to be said... I believe that a good many of the CarpetBuggers in this case knew of the situation with the land in question and were aware of the wider CyProb issue (despite the common and convenient claims and protestations that they did not know!) from which it follows that a large number of the CarpetSquatters, those that knew of the situation and I believe that almost all did know, have not been scammed cos they were complicit with Robb and others in a fraud and should not get a penny.

[bill cobbett]

My view and it's a view shared by the Laws of the Republic that put Robb away, is that the so-called "victims" conspired with Robb to deprive property owners and they should not get a penny of compensation and the £1.6 million be paid in to the public purse.

This money should be paid into the RoC refugee fund. Rewarding the carpetbaggers with their proceeds back is like condoning their actions in the first place.

Infact, they should collect the Cbaggers details and send them all summonds for attempting to purchase stolen goods.

GB Law is quite clear with these proceeds of crime cases. That is that if monies can't be returned to victims than it goes in to the GB Public Purse. Now if the proper owners could be located or if they came forward then there is a case for the money to be awarded to them. I believe that some of the land in question is Government Land in the ownership of the Republic, so if the Republic made a claim as a victim of the fraud then that would be a way for a proportionate amount to find its way in to the CY general Refugee Fund.

[Maximus]

The "refugee" gets his property back,

the "carpetbaggers" get their money back.

Gary Robb pays the price of fraud because he is the one being prosecuted here.

The "carpetbaggers" money will trickle back into the "refugees" pocket and them some over time anyway. Either through rent or sale. If an agreement between the "carpetbagger" and the "refugee" can be made so that the "carpetbagger" purchases the original title deed, the "refugee" will make all the capital gain and not the "carpetbagger" as they initially anticipated. The carpetbagger will pay the full price if he pleads ignorance and not guilty.

Either this or the "carpetbagger" must take his compensation and pick up and leave. Anatolian carpetbaggers included.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Some admonishment required here for the culprits of the illegal occupation, Turkey, which encourages such fraud!

[bill cobbett]

The "refugee" gets his property back,

the "carpetbaggers" get their money back.

Gary Robb pays the price of fraud because he is the one being prosecuted here.

The "carpetbaggers" money will trickle back into the "refugees" pocket and them some over time anyway. Either through rent or sale. If an agreement between the "carpetbagger" and the "refugee" can be made so that the "carpetbagger" purchases the original title deed, the "refugee" will make all the capital gain and not the "carpetbagger" as they initially anticipated. The carpetbagger will pay the full price if he pleads ignorance and not guilty.

Either this or the "carpetbagger" must take his compensation and pick up and leave. Anatolian carpetbaggers included.

Anyone who has gone anywhere near Stolen Property in the Occupied Areas (other than those CYs who took refuge there and who have respected the property of others) should have their fingers well and truly burnt as due punishment and as an example to others.

We should also bear in mind that under the Laws of the Republic it is also a Criminal Offence have any dealings with the Stolen Property so no amount of arrangements between Property Owners and Thieving CarpetScumBaggers should interfere with the duty of the Republic to do what it can, under the circumstances, to maintain its Sovereignty over the whole of CY by using the full weight of the criminal law against these CarpetSheisters.

[repulsewarrior]

...originally, when looking at the Forum Topics, i said to myself, Gary Robb, carpetbaggers; who cares, they're scum, won't read.

today with nothing to do, and with the topic still active, i was surprised at how interesting the subject can be, thanks folks...

...glad that there are many ways to prosecute the ignorance which follows plunder; these people are lucky if they really didn't know what they were doing.
...because, that's Freedom: that's a sense of unbridled security brought down to respect and responsibility; now they have a lot to learn.

[bill cobbett]

Erm... Don't know whether it was as a result of a polite request made last Friday in the light of interest in the case, but in any event BAILII have published the whole of the Robb High Court judgment at...

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2012/803.html