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Postby bg_turk » Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:33 pm

Today Cyprus Mail published the following news article

‘He came up to me, swore, spat in my face and then attacked us’
By John Leonidou

A TURKISH Cypriot father and son claiming that they were attacked by Christodoulos Nicolaides in Troodos last March yesterday gave the Nicosia Assizes a detailed account of their ordeal.

Veysel Toksoy and his son Kemal are claiming that Nicolaides abused, spat and attacked them at a fountain in Troodos after the two men had stopped to eat their sandwiches on the way back to Nicosia after a day trip. Kemal’s wife, mother and two children were also in the car.

Veysel Toksoy had made a statement to police on the day of the attack in Astromeritis and then made a second statement to police in Agios Dometios, around a month later.

Nicolaides, a former policeman, is currently facing a total of eight charges, which include causing actual bodily harm, assault and acting with intent to incite hostility between Greek and Turkish Cypriots. The 28-year-old is also charged with the attack of another Turkish Cypriot, Sadik Aktan, in a Nicosia café on July 25 this year.

Prosecution lawyer Marios Koutsoftas first called up Sergeant Giorgos Giorgiou of Astromeritis police. Giorgiou said Toksoy had come into the police station and told him that he and his family had been abused and attacked by a young man aged between 25 and 30.
“Did you see any marks on his body,” asked Koutsoftas.

“Yes,” replied Giorgiou. “He showed me his right ear and I saw that it was red.”

Koutsoftas then called up Sergeant Sotiris Charalambous, formerly of the Ayios Dometios police, who had also taken a statement from Veysel and Kemal in Turkish about a month after the incident, before Sergeant Marios Cleanthous of Troodos police took the stand.

Cleanthous read out what the defendant had told him, that he had left his father’s house in Troodos and was heading back to Nicosia.

“On the way back I stopped at a fountain because there was a rubbish skip and I needed to get rid of some rubbish from my father’s house. At the fountain were some people who were staring at me provocatively.

“At one point, one of them said to me ‘ti einai re yaour’ (what it is you infidel). I told them to get into their car and leave, and then one of them pushed me and told me to leave, just like my family was told to leave in 1974.

“Being a refugee, I was obviously very angry but I restrained myself and just left.”
Cleathous added: “The accused then told me that he didn’t admit the charges and that he didn’t do anything to them, after I had read him his rights and informed him of the charges.”

Veysel himself then took the stand, with the aid of a translator, and read his statement telling the court that on the day in question he was travelling back from Troodos with his family after a day trip and had stopped at a fountain on the side of the road.

“At one point a jeep that drove by stopped, turned around and came to where we were sitting. A young man took some garbage out of his car, dumped the garbage in a skip and then came up to me. He then came up to me and, understanding a little Greek, said to me ‘I f*** your mother’. After that he spat on my face and on my glasses. As I went to go and wash my glasses in the fountain, I suddenly heard shouting in Greek.

“I then saw the man walk towards the car and begin punching Kemal before dragging him out of his car and attacking him again. I rushed over to them and pulled Kemal away. As I pulled him away, the man hit me in the ear from behind. Then he told us to leave which we did. We drove straight to the police station in Astromeritis.”

“Do you see your attacker today in the courtroom,” asked Koutsoftas.

“Yes, it is the man sitting over there,” said Veysel referring to Nicolaides who was sitting in the dock.

Veysel said he was bleeding from his ear where the attacker had struck him and from nose because of the way his glasses had suddenly come off from being struck.

“How did you feel after the attack”, asked Koutsoftas

“It is hard to describe how I felt. I suppose we just bumped into the wrong person that day. Why did he attack us?” said Veysel, shaking his head, his arms outstretched.

Defence lawyer Soteris Charalambous then questioned Veysel and immediately asked him why he had initially not wanted to press charges but then changed his mind. Veysel replied that not once had he not wanted to press charges.

“The police in Astromeritis took my contact details and after visiting the hospital for my injuries went back home. But they never contacted me and after a month and a half I went to the police station in Ayios Dometios via the United Nations and gave the second statement. There, I pressed charges again.”

“How long did the attack in Troodos go on for and have you seen the attacker since that day?” asked Charalambous.

“The attack went on for about 15 to 20 minutes and I have only seen the attacker for the first time today since that incident,” replied Veysel.

“But how can you remember his face after so many months?” asked Charalambous.
“I’ll remember his face 30 years from now, not just months from now. Believe me, you do not forget an incident like that,” Veysel replied.

The prosecution then called up Veysel’s son Kemal who gave the same account of what had happened that day, adding that at present he would not allow his wife and children to return to the free areas. Kemal then pointed at the accused when asked who had attacked him and his father.

“My wife and children were crying after the incident and we were all deeply disturbed and shocked by what had happened. I have never experienced anything like that in my life. Only time will tell if we will one day come back to the south.”

Charalambous then questioned Kemal about his reaction to the attack.

“So if you were to be attacked in the occupied areas in the same way, would you pack up your stuff and move back to Turkey with your family?”

“No,” Kemal answered.

“Do you know what ‘yaour’ means and what kind of an insult it means to somebody who is Greek?” asked Charalambous.

“No,” replied Kemal. “I have never heard that word.”

Both Kemal and Veysel denied provoking Nicolaides in any way.

The trial resumes on Monday.



Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2005


This incident raises serious question as to whether the so-called "Republic of Cyprus" can protect its citizens of turkish origin. Of course such incidents might happen everywhere, there are extreme nationalists everywhere, but what raises most concern is the delayed reaction of the police. It took UN involvement in order for the police to take real actions to protect a citizen of turkish origin. Also it is shocking that the man who committed the assault was an ex-policeman.

Do you think Turkish Cypriots can trust the police in the south? What is the extent of anti-turkish racism in the south? Do turkish cypriots feel really free in the "free" areas?[/code]
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Postby BirKibrisli » Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:44 pm

Bg-turk, you are right, these incidents can happen anywhere,especially on an island with such an history.In any country the army and the police are by definition the most conservative forces in society.I am starting to think that the situation as it exists in Cyprus is potentially very dangerous.Any day some fanatic on either side might do something stupid,like shooting or stabbing someone, and that will be the end of the relatively free movement in Cyprus.People will be just too afraid to move around.
That is why we need a just and peaceful solution that will reunite the island,and have a joint police force and judiciary that will respond quickly to any act of violence.When people see they cannot get away with racist or ultra-nationalist acts of harassment,they will have to check their actions.At least that is what I am hoping.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Sep 24, 2005 12:08 pm

bg_turk, such incidents happen every day (GCs Vs GCs, Pontians VS GCs etc). When there is a football game such things can happen en mass. These incidents are almost never reported to the police and they never reach the media unless there is some serious injury or death. (which is something extremely rare).

Apparently the most rare of this incidents is the GC VS TC case since for some strange reason such incidents are always reported in the media. A person slapping another and ending up with a red ear would not be anything newsworthy in any other case. Would this be something newsworthy in Bulgaria?

I very often see some TCs driving their brand new BMWs in the free areas (I know they are TCs because otherwise a brand new car would not have a 2 letter license plate). I can understand how a GC can feel that his whole property was stolen and now he is forced to live in some refugee housing while some TCs make money by selling to foreigners the land that was stolen from him. Most GCs can control these feelings and act in the correct way. The ones that don't will face the consequences of their actions.

I would expect you to appreciate the reaction of RoC, when your occupation regime did not even prosecute the people that killed GCs and their murders are recorded on video!!

While you can say that this Nicolaides is a racist, the same can be said for the whole leadership of Turkey and TCs and the ones who support them (majority of TCs/Turks?) that violate the basic human rights of thousands of people because of their race.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sat Sep 24, 2005 4:21 pm

Yiasou,Piratis,
Apparently the most rare of this incidents is the GC VS TC case since for some strange reason such incidents are always reported in the media. A person slapping another and ending up with a red ear would not be anything newsworthy in any other case. Would this be something newsworthy in Bulgaria?


In journalism there is an example often quoted to decide what is newsworthy,you might've heard of it:"If a dog bites a man,that is not newsworthy,but if a man bites a dog...that is front page news."
Something similar is at work in Cyprus.After some 29 years GCs and TCs are freely interacting with each other.This is a most unusual situation so media are very willing to elevate the slightest incident.My point is this: those who do not wish for the two communities to get to know each other,those who would rather plant seeds of hatred know this as well.All they need to do is to incite a few fanatics to do some acts of stupidity,and you'll have them running around saying "you see,TCs and GCs cannot live together,we need confederation!" Hence,I feel it is extra important that the police and the judiciary are seen to be responding very quickly to such incidents and in a just way.
A friend of mine who lives in London,and who is strongly in favour of us returning to the RoC of 1960,was holidaying in Cyprus recently.He was visiting the South for a picnic with his family when without any provocation some Greek Cypriots spat at them called them "filthy Gypsies" and told them to piss off.That left a very bad taste in his mouth,so we mustn't underestimate the importance of such incidents,especially when we are trying to build trust and respect.
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Postby cmantas_liberal » Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:39 am

yeah, there are still fanatic lunatics on both sides. there always going to be ,even on the outskirt of a society.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:29 pm

My point is this: those who do not wish for the two communities to get to know each other,those who would rather plant seeds of hatred know this as well.All they need to do is to incite a few fanatics to do some acts of stupidity,and you'll have them running around saying "you see,TCs and GCs cannot live together,we need confederation!"


I agree. While those people are racist idiots, the ones that are truly the enemies of Cyprus are those that promote these things and are trying to use them as an excuse.

Hence,I feel it is extra important that the police and the judiciary are seen to be responding very quickly to such incidents and in a just way.

Most definitely.
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Postby Main_Source » Sun Sep 25, 2005 3:22 pm

I wonder if the same journalists would bother to report the goodwill shown to eachother by ordinary members of both communities.
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Postby sadik » Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:06 pm

Piratis wrote:Apparently the most rare of this incidents is the GC VS TC case since for some strange reason such incidents are always reported in the media.


It's not for a strange reason, Piratis. The reason is very simple: Given the history between TCs and GCs, people fear that even small incidents can have serious and disasterous consequences. Media interest is for this reason. Most TCs and GCs, being sensible people, do their best to avoid even the smallest of incidents. I believe most TCs and GCs are right on this. In Pyla, for example, there have been many GC-GC fights and TC-TC fights in the last 31 years, but never a fight between the GCs and TCs. This is not because there are no problems in Pyla, but because people are trying to keep the peace.

I very often see some TCs driving their brand new BMWs in the free areas (I know they are TCs because otherwise a brand new car would not have a 2 letter license plate). I can understand how a GC can feel that his whole property was stolen and now he is forced to live in some refugee housing while some TCs make money by selling to foreigners the land that was stolen from him.


It's wrong to assume that everybody is making mony on GC property sales. I don't know the exact figures but the number of people who are directly benefiting from these sales are small. Some TCs are also driving piece of shit cars to the south, but people are only noticing the shiny new cars.

I would expect you to appreciate the reaction of RoC, when your occupation regime did not even prosecute the people that killed GCs and their murders are recorded on video!!


Unfortunately, you are right on this one. Those killings are a big shame for the TC people, even though almost no one opproved of them. I sincerely hope that they will be punished in the end.
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Postby Piratis » Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:21 am

This is not because there are no problems in Pyla, but because people are trying to keep the peace.

We are people we will have fights. I don't understand why if Yiannis and Yiorgos have a fight is not a big deal while if Yiannis and Mustafa have a fight then we will not be able to have peace.

The ones that don't want peace are those that take advantage of such incidents to promote their hate propaganda.

I agree that people should be more careful in these cases, but among our people idiots exist. Can we not have peace because idiots exist?

It's wrong to assume that everybody is making mony on GC property sales.

I didn't make such assumptions. What I said is that it is natural that a GC refugee might make such assumptions. While the occupation continues it is I believe unnatural to expect from all GCs (especially refugees) to have nothing but love for TCs. Some form of dislike of one degree on another can develop in some of them. The feelings that these people might have towords TCs because of the occupation should not be confused with racism. (This is not to say that no GC is racist. However some people might express their emotions in a way that might seem racist while in fact is their reaction to the pain caused to them by the occupation)
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Postby Piratis » Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:25 am

I sincerely hope that they will be punished in the end.


What I hope is that more TCs would think like you do. (not just on this issue)
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