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[CBBB]

VP at some level their will be domination by the g/c because they are a numerically larger than the t/c,thats what happens when you insisit on ethnic quotas.if the federation was based on ideology it would not matter because right wing,left wiing,central parties would rule.but thats not the case in cyprus.

The truth of the matter is that a t/c would be better off politically like the bulgarians turks with there party in bulgarian politics,because cypriot politics are so framented the t/c with a 18-20% share would be kin makers in every govt since independence.In A federation however you will have your state affairs in the north but on a federal you will be minority.24 and 24 senators on a ethnic basis is not going to fly i believe .

But that leaves the door wide open to GC manipulation for the sake of taking control so the thought of allowing natural ideology to purvey in a society that has not developed and will only bring about a movement to group and use their numerical advantage to the detriment of the minority which so happens to be us, a risk we would never take.

Your bullshit wouldn't be so bad if it was changed now and then, but the same pile every day is just too much!

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VP at some level their will be domination by the g/c because they are a numerically larger than the t/c,thats what happens when you insisit on ethnic quotas.if the federation was based on ideology it would not matter because right wing,left wiing,central parties would rule.but thats not the case in cyprus.

The truth of the matter is that a t/c would be better off politically like the bulgarians turks with there party in bulgarian politics,because cypriot politics are so framented the t/c with a 18-20% share would be kin makers in every govt since independence.In A federation however you will have your state affairs in the north but on a federal you will be minority.24 and 24 senators on a ethnic basis is not going to fly i believe .

But that leaves the door wide open to GC manipulation for the sake of taking control so the thought of allowing natural ideology to purvey in a society that has not developed and will only bring about a movement to group and use their numerical advantage to the detriment of the minority which so happens to be us, a risk we would never take.

Your bullshit wouldn't be so bad if it was changed now and then, but the same pile every day is just too much!

Reality is consistent.

[bill cobbett]

VP at some level their will be domination by the g/c because they are a numerically larger than the t/c,thats what happens when you insisit on ethnic quotas.if the federation was based on ideology it would not matter because right wing,left wiing,central parties would rule.but thats not the case in cyprus.

The truth of the matter is that a t/c would be better off politically like the bulgarians turks with there party in bulgarian politics,because cypriot politics are so framented the t/c with a 18-20% share would be kin makers in every govt since independence.In A federation however you will have your state affairs in the north but on a federal you will be minority.24 and 24 senators on a ethnic basis is not going to fly i believe .

But that leaves the door wide open to GC manipulation for the sake of taking control so the thought of allowing natural ideology to purvey in a society that has not developed and will only bring about a movement to group and use their numerical advantage to the detriment of the minority which so happens to be us, a risk we would never take.

Your bullshit wouldn't be so bad if it was changed now and then, but the same pile every day is just too much!

Reality is consistent.

Yep, the ethereal Reality of Self-segregation wet-dreams we've been hearing about for 50+ years ... it's got you nowhere, about time you realised that.

[boulio]

Look VP IN 38 YEARS you still have no one recognizing the north, for christ sake kosovo has 100 recognitions in 4 years and you have 1 in 38 years.Its not going to happen so what is left?

come to a agreement or status quo correct?

status quo dosent suit anyone i believe except for turkey as she can use the north as a card.

can you give us a federal agreement in say ten lines that will be acceptable to both side and not violate human rights or the EU AQUIS?

Or if not the 1960 agreements with agdjustments since its all thats every been agreed

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VP at some level their will be domination by the g/c because they are a numerically larger than the t/c,thats what happens when you insisit on ethnic quotas.if the federation was based on ideology it would not matter because right wing,left wiing,central parties would rule.but thats not the case in cyprus.

The truth of the matter is that a t/c would be better off politically like the bulgarians turks with there party in bulgarian politics,because cypriot politics are so framented the t/c with a 18-20% share would be kin makers in every govt since independence.In A federation however you will have your state affairs in the north but on a federal you will be minority.24 and 24 senators on a ethnic basis is not going to fly i believe .

But that leaves the door wide open to GC manipulation for the sake of taking control so the thought of allowing natural ideology to purvey in a society that has not developed and will only bring about a movement to group and use their numerical advantage to the detriment of the minority which so happens to be us, a risk we would never take.

Your bullshit wouldn't be so bad if it was changed now and then, but the same pile every day is just too much!

Reality is consistent.

Yep, the ethereal Reality of Self-segregation wet-dreams we've been hearing about for 50+ years ... it's got you nowhere, about time you realised that.

Its got us 37% of the island and 38 years of freedom from the domination of GCs.

[Viewpoint]

Look VP IN 38 YEARS you still have no one recognizing the north, for christ sake kosovo has 100 recognitions in 4 years and you have 1 in 38 years.Its not going to happen so what is left?

come to a agreement or status quo correct?

status quo dosent suit anyone i believe except for turkey as she can use the north as a card.

can you give us a federal agreement in say ten lines that will be acceptable to both side and not violate human rights or the EU AQUIS?

Or if not the 1960 agreements with agdjustments since its all thats every been agreed

I dont need 10 lines as all I have to say is the AP.

Why dont you tell us what adjustments you would demand to the 1960 agreements if we were to return, would they have anything to do with our partnership rights?

[boulio]

AP is dead VP it says it for christ sake in the premble if its not agreed it is null and void,if you keep mentioning it is not going to change anything.

1960 agreements-

t/c participation reduced to 25% in all facets of govt.

i would add bizonality- 25% north state

in return t/c give up veto rights

election of representives on a communal basis

election of prez and vp on one ticket with cross voting averages

SBA eliminated, deikelia portion turned to EU/NATO BASE with Greek/turkish/cypriot/and other eu/nato countries participation for security of cyprus.cyprus joins nato

thats a few im sure there can be more,would you like to add some?

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AP is dead VP it says it for christ sake in the premble if its not agreed it is null and void,if you keep mentioning it is not going to change anything.

1960 agreements-

t/c participation reduced to 25% in all facets of govt.

i would add bizonality- 25% north state

in return t/c give up veto rights

election of representives on a communal basis

election of prez and vp on one ticket with cross voting averages

SBA eliminated, deikelia portion turned to EU/NATO BASE with Greek/turkish/cypriot/and other eu/nato countries participation for security of cyprus.cyprus joins nato

thats a few im sure there can be more,would you like to add some?

The AP may have been rejected but it is the only Federal solution that TCs have said yes to and anything below this would fall short.

Now you did not waste time in taking away our veto rights therefore our right to partnership pushing us into the direction of a destined to be minority in eventually a GC state.

We would never give up our veto rights so thats a dead duck from say 1, you probably want to remove the guarantees as well.

[boulio]

so the 100,000(t/c) cypriots said yes to a plan that the overall majority(g/c) rejected so we must go with that ?

Sorry my friend dosent work that way and you just proved why you will not have a veto,you will have autonomy and proportianal paricipation in a EU country thats about it.

If not stay were you are feeling safe from imaginerary threats untile finally there are none of you left thanks to your motherland.

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boulio

so the 100,000(t/c) cypriots said yes to a plan that the overall majority(g/c) rejected so we must go with that ?

we have all moved on but you miss the point only under such a plan would TCs say yes, you dismiss it like its of no importance thats not how it works you have to take into consideration what we want as well, we have 50% weight in deciding whether we unite or not..so disregarding what we say will as you well know get you nowhere eg the last 38 years.

Sorry my friend dosent work that way and you just proved why you will not have a veto,you will have autonomy and proportianal paricipation in a EU country thats about it.

The veto was the basis on which our partnership is formed dont forget you signed in agreement now you wanna scrap it and take away our partnership rights and probably our security as well, do you know how that makes us feel? unprotected and exposed to domination and discrimination just as it was in the past to which we vowed never to go back to. We reject what you offer as we could take you up on it tomorrow by moving south but guess what everyone is staying put as we do not want to be foreigners in our country placing our future at the mercy of hostile revenge seeking GCs.

If not stay were you are feeling safe from imaginerary threats untile finally there are none of you left thanks to your motherland.

This argument is very weak and boring to us, you forget we are Turkish in origin and have no problem with returning to our roots just as you didnt when you demanded enosis so this motherland take you over crap doesnt wash with the majority of us, we prefer the Turks over the GCs as what you offer over time is an open door allowing you to manipulate the situation forcing us from an equal partner into minority status in a GC state.