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[Viewpoint]

I dsont want to remove your rights when it comes to Human,political,ownership,education,health, etc etc.but i cant give you rights that will endanger the functionality of the state and the VAST majority of the islands people.i can understand having special majority votes in both communities when a law may effect a community diffently or when it comes to relations with greece and turkey however to pass a budget that will most likely will be already generous to the northern state should not be passed by seperate voting in both communites.

Here in lays the problem how can we guarantee that the numerical majority in this case being the GCs do the right thing and pass a budget that is sufficient? you do not trust me and i definitely do not trust you. Thats why so many checks and balances are required to force the majority to take into account the numerical minorities needs not just in the case of a budget but life in general.

[wyoming cowboy]

Vp I agree with you when you say that trust needs to be built among the two communities, too many years have gone by, with lots of brainwashing and rhetoric from both sides. Nevertheless no matter how many checks and balances are put into place, without goodwill from both sides no solution will work

[wyoming cowboy]

Who wants to go and spend any money doing up their places, Turkey cannot be trusted, they will lose it all and thats only a small part of it. The RoC should deal with this mockery immediately. No residents/owners should be allowed to return to continue these pathetic turkish BS games. They are just sore that the RoC will have a route to the world via its EU presidency, whilst the goliath sits on its arse looking in.

How will your leaders stop GCs wanting to reclaim their properties? and how will that reflect on your standing as President of the EU, Turkey is yet again one step ahead of the game.

Turkey is more like, behind the eight ball, and they see their chances of the keeping the status quo as slipping between their dirty fingers, this move is an act of desperation in order to divert attention for a few months and take away from the spotlight when the Republic of Cyprus takes over the Eu presidency. They have had over 38 years to give back Famagusta to its rightful owners and oddly enough they choose now to do it.

[bellaital]

PRESIDENT Christofias recommended that Famagusta refugees “exercise restraint and composure and show some confidence in the political leadership” when asked to comment about the Milliyet report claiming that Turkey would open the fenced area of Varosha, under Turkish Cypriot administration.
This would reportedly take place on July 1, the day Cyprus takes over the presidency of the EU, and all living property owners would be allowed to return to their properties. Those who had inherited property in Varosha would be barred from returning, Milliyet claimed, strengthening the view of most Greek Cypriot politicians that this was a diplomatic manoeuvre - ‘a devious move’ according to the House president - aimed at putting pressure on the government when it takes over the EU presidency.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/opinion/our- ... k/20120328

[boulio]

well vp you also must take into account that under a true federation the vast majority of functions are delagated to the states with only certain things left to the federal govt so in essence the northern state will be running many of their on affairs to begin with.

[Viewpoint]

Vp I agree with you when you say that trust needs to be built among the two communities, too many years have gone by, with lots of brainwashing and rhetoric from both sides. Nevertheless no matter how many checks and balances are put into place, without goodwill from both sides no solution will work

I agree because we do not trust we show no goodwill, we are always on the defense.

[Viewpoint]

Who wants to go and spend any money doing up their places, Turkey cannot be trusted, they will lose it all and thats only a small part of it. The RoC should deal with this mockery immediately. No residents/owners should be allowed to return to continue these pathetic turkish BS games. They are just sore that the RoC will have a route to the world via its EU presidency, whilst the goliath sits on its arse looking in.

How will your leaders stop GCs wanting to reclaim their properties? and how will that reflect on your standing as President of the EU, Turkey is yet again one step ahead of the game.

Turkey is more like, behind the eight ball, and they see their chances of the keeping the status quo as slipping between their dirty fingers, this move is an act of desperation in order to divert attention for a few months and take away from the spotlight when the Republic of Cyprus takes over the Eu presidency. They have had over 38 years to give back Famagusta to its rightful owners and oddly enough they choose now to do it.

Well done Turkey.

[Viewpoint]

well vp you also must take into account that under a true federation the vast majority of functions are delagated to the states with only certain things left to the federal govt so in essence the northern state will be running many of their on affairs to begin with.

Exactly to begin with. without checks and balances the door is wide open to manipulation and GC domination due to their numerical advantage.

[boulio]

VP at some level their will be domination by the g/c because they are a numerically larger than the t/c,thats what happens when you insisit on ethnic quotas.if the federation was based on ideology it would not matter because right wing,left wiing,central parties would rule.but thats not the case in cyprus.

The truth of the matter is that a t/c would be better off politically like the bulgarians turks with there party in bulgarian politics,because cypriot politics are so framented the t/c with a 18-20% share would be kin makers in every govt since independence.In A federation however you will have your state affairs in the north but on a federal you will be minority.24 and 24 senators on a ethnic basis is not going to fly i believe .

[Viewpoint]

VP at some level their will be domination by the g/c because they are a numerically larger than the t/c,thats what happens when you insisit on ethnic quotas.if the federation was based on ideology it would not matter because right wing,left wiing,central parties would rule.but thats not the case in cyprus.

The truth of the matter is that a t/c would be better off politically like the bulgarians turks with there party in bulgarian politics,because cypriot politics are so framented the t/c with a 18-20% share would be kin makers in every govt since independence.In A federation however you will have your state affairs in the north but on a federal you will be minority.24 and 24 senators on a ethnic basis is not going to fly i believe .

But that leaves the door wide open to GC manipulation for the sake of taking control so the thought of allowing natural ideology to purvey in a society that has not developed and will only bring about a movement to group and use their numerical advantage to the detriment of the minority which so happens to be us, a risk we would never take.