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[humanist]

VP it has nothing to do with not wanting to live with you. Personally if I was allowed I would love to move as I think it will be the quickest and more interesting way to learn Turkish.

[kurupetos]

Its obvious we do not want to live together or our attitudes would be totally different, why are we trying to force a deal? why not have two states pretty much like today where people can freely go live wherever they want under the laws of that state?

You are right, we don't want to live with Turkish settlers.

[Nikitas]

VP is conveniently forgetting the extent to which the TCs went to enforce the separation of municipalities starting way back in the 50s. THey would not even allow GC municipal employees to pick up garbage. All of a sudden it is OK to do away with separate municipalities and live "under laws" etc.

The RoC maintains the bilingual printing of all official documents. I wonder if the trunc will institute such a practice when it will have 40 000 Varosiotes forming a sizeable municipality.

Just speculating naturally, there is no chance of anything happening in Varosi. The game is so transparent as to be comic.

[Nikitas]

"During these talks, the Turkish side offered to give the fenched area of Famagusta to the UN for the return of its GC inhabitats. In return, the TC's asked for direct trade through the Famagusta port and Tympou airport. "

Analyse the above: Famagusta would be given to the UN, not returned to the RoC. In exchange for this non-return of territory the RoC would cede legalisation of Famagusta port and Tymbou airport, as it is the only source of legalisation for their international use. This is supposed to be a fair trade.

What was wrong with returning Famagusta under full RoC jurisdiction as opposed to the UN? We know the answer. Turkey does not recognise the RoC so it will not return anything directly, thus preserving its legal theory on the status of the RoC as a "non state". When we adopt the same attitude to safeguard our statehood, Bananiot accuses us for being intransigent, not them.

Wake the f.... up! If we are relegated to the status of "community" we are going to be pushed into double union. A community cannot survive on its own. So Bananiot, indirectly you are supporting steps leading to double union and the deletion of our national status.

Look up the comments by Soysal about provisions being included in any settlement for any possible future split. Soysal is not small potatoes. He was for years one of the chief advisers of the TC regime. He is openly seeking prosivision for a future cessation, ie dissolution of the planned federal state, after the RoC is dissolved.

[Bananiot]

Double union has been the aspiration of many GC nationalists, including some prominent members of this forum. I have always stood against it. And, your argument about provisions for a future cessation sucks big time, Nikitas, for it could be us that will need to push for the dissolution of the future Federal state. We have done it before. Remember 1963? The ink had not dried on the paper we placed our signatures on for the independent Cyprus and we started, at the highest level, to look for ways to get rid of the RoC.

[Viewpoint]

VP it has nothing to do with not wanting to live with you. Personally if I was allowed I would love to move as I think it will be the quickest and more interesting way to learn Turkish.

You can move north tomorrow no one is topping you, there are many GCs who rent property mainly Girne and partially reside in the TRNC. Your problem is the same as I mine I you do not want to be ruled by TCs just as much as i do not want to be ruled by GCs. Why not give people the right to choose rather than force them under one or the other?

[Viewpoint]

VP is conveniently forgetting the extent to which the TCs went to enforce the separation of municipalities starting way back in the 50s. THey would not even allow GC municipal employees to pick up garbage. All of a sudden it is OK to do away with separate municipalities and live "under laws" etc.

The RoC maintains the bilingual printing of all official documents. I wonder if the trunc will institute such a practice when it will have 40 000 Varosiotes forming a sizeable municipality.

Just speculating naturally, there is no chance of anything happening in Varosi. The game is so transparent as to be comic.

The TRNC does not have the same constitution as the south so we are not obliged to do anything special, its like taking your own medicine where you want us to be forced into minority status in a GC state, why do you refuse what you see fit for us?

[boulio]

becuase 18 is smaller than 82

enough with the psycho babel VP the ROC has made enourmous comprimises for a federal state and you dont give a inch or effort to make it work.But thats the whole point you dont want it to work just to steal whats not yours.

and please dont say the roc stole your rights,the ROC has been in the EU for 8 years and before that years of ascesion ,why did the t/c as a community not take there cause to the echr or the hague to get your rights back?

[Viewpoint]

becuase 18 is smaller than 82

enough with the psycho babel VP the ROC has made enourmous comprimises for a federal state and you dont give a inch or effort to make it work.But thats the whole point you dont want it to work just to steal whats not yours.

and please dont say the roc stole your rights,the ROC has been in the EU for 8 years and before that years of ascesion ,why did the t/c as a community not take there cause to the echr or the hague to get your rights back?

The fact that you are taller makes you no more of a partner than me, when will you realize this fact? the internationally recognized agreement you signed gace me that right now you want to take it away...well you cant we wont give it up as we have just as much right to this island as you do. Seeing we cannot live together as you want to remove my rights then we have to remain divided.

Both sides will have to compromises for a federal state, it middle ground you want enosis we want taksim, federal is the middle ground.

[boulio]

I dsont want to remove your rights when it comes to Human,political,ownership,education,health, etc etc.but i cant give you rights that will endanger the functionality of the state and the VAST majority of the islands people.i can understand having special majority votes in both communities when a law may effect a community diffently or when it comes to relations with greece and turkey however to pass a budget that will most likely will be already generous to the northern state should not be passed by seperate voting in both communites.