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[Bananiot]

What's the matter with you people in Australia Boulio? Do you think that you can actually find every thing in the internet? The proposals of Talat I referred to are real and Papadopoulos's rejection of them sent the EU into a rage. But, this is not the only time we rejected the return of Famagusta. Had we accepted to negotiate the AngloAmerica Canada plan of 1978 the Famagustians would have gone back as soon as the talks started and would have stayed there independent of the result of the negotiations. It is very easy to blame Turkey for every thing but now we can only appease the bananiots with such idiocies. The international community has found us out.

[kurupetos]

What's the matter with you people in Australia Boulio? Do you think that you can actually find every thing in the internet? The proposals of Talat I referred to are real and Papadopoulos's rejection of them sent the EU into a rage. But, this is not the only time we rejected the return of Famagusta. Had we accepted to negotiate the AngloAmerica Canada plan of 1978 the Famagustians would have gone back as soon as the talks started and would have stayed there independent of the result of the negotiations. It is very easy to blame Turkey for every thing but now we can only appease the bananiots with such idiocies. The international community has found us out.

You are the only one. Stop making fun of yourself, 'cause it's not funny anymore.

[boulio]

I live in the united states,the turks have never offered in the last ten years varoshia to be under eu/un/roc administration.you are a plain liar and a papadopoulos hater.the turks always say that varoshia will be returned in a comprensive settlement unless under turkish administration.

[Viewpoint]

If the proposal is serious the seriousness will be demonstrated by its implementation, and that is when things get interesting.

The population of Varosi was 45000 people. I am assuming that half will return if and when it is opened. So we have 25000 (approx.) EU CITIZENS who will be registered as returnees. Those people, under EU rules, have the right to set up their own municipality as they choose. Every precedent that Turkey has engineered for the minority in Thrace will have to apply in this case. Then they will want to set up their own schools, churches, businesses. As EU citizens they will be subject to EU tax regulations, ie VAT, which they will have to charge each other, and remit to...... whom? The EU takes part of the VAT receipts to finance itself.

The EU will want to inspect and verify that the conditions in the town, on simple matters like biological filtering of waste etc, are in accordance with its set rules. No doubt the TC authorities will propose that the town is under their control, to which the retort is that the municipality is made up entirely of EU citizens in an EU member nation, therefore EU rules apply and the confusion will be a wonderful surreal play.

It is one more manifestation of the Turkish dream to deny statehood to Cyprus, to dissolve the RoC. That kite won't fly.

The Varosiotes would be well advised to accept the return of their town. Move in, repair with EU advisers and consultants, assert their municipal rights, using the same arguments the TCs have used since 1958 to establish separation of their municipalities from the Republic. The trunc will lose when it comes to a local community within the EU asserting its rights against a big bully. Handled right it could be a major victory for the local community. This is not just the RoC against Turkey, this is the community of Varosiotes against Turkey. The media will have a field day. Try to imagine some of the headlines in Bild, Spiegel and Le Monde.

Again, the proviso is "if it is handled right".

Of course the more likely reality is that the Varosi announcement is a crude device to plant division among the GCs over the EU presidency. But this is not a Cypriot matter, and those that cannot see this are super stupid. This is a prestige matter for the EU. The EU cannot back down from its established procedures. Even if the RoC were to unilaterally disown the rotating presidency, the EU would find a way to assert its precedures just to show it has international personality and presence.

Nik you conveniently forget we do not have to abide by EU laws, they are suspended in the TRNC...if GCs returns its under our terms not theirs and the EU can do nothing about it as we have seen in the past. When you go live in Switzerland you live according to their laws not those of your own country, its called reality man.

[Bananiot]

Boulio, you are far away from Cyprus yet you know that the Turks have nevered offered anything in the last ten years. Do you really want to know the facts or do you want to remain in your ignorance?

Around 2006 (I do not remember the exact date) Cyprus was engaged in secret talks with the TC's (Turkey if you prefer) during the Luxemburg presidency of the EU. The RoC was represented by Jonhis and the TC's by a Rashid Perdev. During these talks, the Turkish side offered to give the fenched area of Famagusta to the UN for the return of its GC inhabitats. In return, the TC's asked for direct trade through the Famagusta port and Tympou airport. Johnis asked for time in order to get Papadopoulos's response. He came back and announced another "no" from Papadopoulos. The Luxemburgian Foreign Minister angrily pounded the table and shouted while leaving "you two (Johnis and Papadopoulos) do not want solution".

These were secret talks and nobody knew of this incident but, a year later, it was leaked and it became known as another lost opportunity for Famagusta. If some people have the illusion that Famagusta will be returned as a good will act by the Turkish side, they perhaps need to get their brain tested. We can keep saying "no" to all ideas, suggestions and plans but eventually we will be left with partition, without one inch of ground returned and Turkey with a powerful army on our doorsteps and some hundreds of thousands settlers.

[Viewpoint]

Its obvious we do not want to live together or our attitudes would be totally different, why are we trying to force a deal? why not have two states pretty much like today where people can freely go live wherever they want under the laws of that state?

[humanist]

The city cannot be opened undder the pseudo state control. It is under The Republic or nothing changes

[Viewpoint]

The city cannot be opened undder the pseudo state control. It is under The Republic or nothing changes

Then we will use it together with those Gcs who do want to live with us.

[boulio]

Okay that explains everything bananoit,they were top secret talks thats why i never heard about them.

[boulio]

the port and airport bananoit whose jurisdiction was it going to fall under in these top secret talks ?