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[CBBB]

Shouldn't we Greek Cypriots use the Greek name of the city? Ammohostos? Why the Turkish name "Varoshia"?

To GCs it is known as Varoshia.

[Jerry]

According to the TC newspaper Yeni Düzen, eroğlu has denied any such thing as returning Varosha to its legal owners. http://www.yeniduzen.com/detay.asp?a=42087&z=19...

Zamsn has denied it too Deniz.

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-275459- ... riots.html

It looks like a case of "trnc" teasing, or has Eriglu been over ruled by his pimp

[Nikitas]

Bananiot,

No TC leader can change his tie without Ankara's OK. Neither Talat nor Eroglu could make any offer regarding Varosi or anything else with Ankara's OK.

For Turkey the impending presidency of the RoC in the EU is a sore point. It will be a thundering great gong of failure of their decades long policy of statehood denial for Cyprus, not just the RoC.

For reasons posted above this is not in the hands of RoC to deal with. The EU will not veer from its set procedures and customs to please anyone. Turkey knows and is trying out ploys. This last firework of Famagusta was the first, there will be more between now and July.

The irony is that the presidence practically means very little. Symbolically it might mean a lot though.

As for the practicalities, I have posted above the varioius surreal scenarios that would arise if 25 to 45 thousand EU citizens decide to move to Varosi. It will have its funny moments in the unlikely even it materialises.

[Nikitas]

Ammohostos is the name of the old city. Varosi, to Varosi, single neuter is the usual GC name. Ta Varosha is also used, but the plural is peculiar sounding. Varush if memory serves is the Turkish for suburb, a place out of the walled city, occupied by the Turks in 1571, which was for the native GCs to live. Back in 1571 the area was a swamp. With hard work it became a garden city, as those who lived there in the 50s will know. It was basically a huge orange orchard from the old Nicosia road all the way to Derinia.

Read Thompson's comments on the two communities, the one in the old city and that of the "suburb". The comments are enlightening and they are from an outsider.

[boulio]

im getting a population of about 31,000 for famagusta in 1960 24,506(g/c),6,120(t,c),24 (maronite)

a question did most of the city live seperate with the t/c living within the walls of old city and the greek living south in varoshia?

[Bananiot]

Boulio, I wasn't referring to the Finnish proposal. Nikitas, let us see how we get out of this. Our party leaders (except Anastasiades) excelled in stupidity tonight, send ing "messages" to Turkey and denouncing Turkey to the UN, who we do not want to meddle in the talks, of course, and we do not want their arbitration and asphyxiating time frames for solution.

[boulio]

Bananoit are you thick or are you just playing stupid in your original post you said talat offered varoshia,i say turkey never offered varoshia as the eu article states,now you say the finnish proposal offered varoshia here is a bit of a time line :

There have been several attempts to break this deadlock and both Famagusta and Varosha have been used as bargaining chips in the efforts to secure the reunification of Cyprus and to create some movement in the endless talks. In 2004 Cypriot President Papadopoulos suggested allowing trade with the EU from Famagusta under EU supervision, joint Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot management of the port and Turkish withdrawal from Varosha, but in vain.

In 2006 the Finnish term presidency proposed that Famagusta port be opened for direct trade under EU supervision on condition that Turkey opened some of its ports and airports to Greek Cypriot traffic. However, Papadopoulos stated that Greek Cypriot acceptance of this proposal was dependent on the return of Varosha to the Greek Cypriots, but Turkish Cyprus in turn insisted that Ercan airport in northern Cyprus should be opened to international flights.

An extra element was added when the Turkish daily Vatan reported that Deputy Chief of General Staff Ergin Saygun had reminded Turkish Foreign Minister (now President) Abdullah Gül that it was against agreed Turkish policy to open ports and airports and transfer Varosha to the Greek Cypriots under the control of the UN

[Pyrpolizer]

It's not the first time Turkish newspapers try to push for political moves through imaginary news.
Nothing will happen, the Turkish policy rounds about not an inch of returned land without recognition or two separate states (in reality or in disguise).
It would be nice for people like me and Nikitas to go see their houses in the fenced area, but it won't happen...

NB.
25,000 would return LOL???? take 3 zeros out my friend, that's what my bet would be.

[Cap]

the T***ish policy rounds about not an inch of returned land without recognition or two separate states

Like the true terrorist regime they are.
Demand everything, make zero concessions.
You're the only one that hasn't been fooled Pyr. Well done.

[Nikitas]

There was a de facto segregation in Famagusta, the GCs lived outside the walls, the TCs in the walls. This was not imposed, it came about as a result of the 1571 conquest. At that time the walled city was a prestigeous area, as proved by historical writings of the time. The GCs were excluded/confined to the swampy area outside the walls.

Thompson writing in 1879 describes the situation in Famagusta and comments on the different attitudes prevailing inside the walls and within the Christian community outside the walls. During the 50s and early 60s the city was a sleepy town, much less lively than Limassol or Larnaca. There were two hotels on the beach back then, the Constantia and the Florida. The boom came in the late 60s and early 70s when they built wall to wall hotels stretching from the rocky part near Glossa all the way to Ayios Memnios.

HOw many wouild return if the city was opened up? Taking the Cypriot attitude to property, and some general greed into account I could place the figure in the majority of the 1974 inhabitants. Even if they have no intention of permanently residing there, they would return just to establish their claims.