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[B25]

Nikita, I have alot of respect for you man, but I don't agree with your above post, sorry. This false flag implant that the turks are offering is to cause the unrest and fighting within and we should resist ANY attempt by the occupation regime to be drawn into any TRAP it is setting up for us.

First let us see the offer on the table and then we can decide, either to burn it or shit on it, eitherway, we will not help Turkey gain an ounce of recognition in Cyprus, because is we do, this will be the start of the slippery slope and then we will be doomed.

The EU and the UN should be taking note of these silly games and be speaking up.

[Jerry]

It's all Greek to me, however: -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57VG8PKbNOs

[boulio]

i really hope this is not the VAUNTED TURKISH PLAN B,That the world keeps hearing about.because its been shot down multiple times over the years.

Basic terms with regards to Varosia:

1)returned to legal residents under UN administration
2)Famagusta port to be put under EU ADMINISTRATION for the use of export by the t/c
3)Turkey opens ports and airspace.

ANything else please dont bother the ROC they have a job to do statrting July 1st.

Thanks
come again.

[Jerry]

If the proposal is serious the seriousness will be demonstrated by its implementation, and that is when things get interesting.

The population of Varosi was 45000 people. I am assuming that half will return if and when it is opened. So we have 25000 (approx.) EU CITIZENS who will be registered as returnees. Those people, under EU rules, have the right to set up their own municipality as they choose. Every precedent that Turkey has engineered for the minority in Thrace will have to apply in this case. Then they will want to set up their own schools, churches, businesses. As EU citizens they will be subject to EU tax regulations, ie VAT, which they will have to charge each other, and remit to...... whom? The EU takes part of the VAT receipts to finance itself.

The EU will want to inspect and verify that the conditions in the town, on simple matters like biological filtering of waste etc, are in accordance with its set rules. No doubt the TC authorities will propose that the town is under their control, to which the retort is that the municipality is made up entirely of EU citizens in an EU member nation, therefore EU rules apply and the confusion will be a wonderful surreal play.

It is one more manifestation of the Turkish dream to deny statehood to Cyprus, to dissolve the RoC. That kite won't fly.

The Varosiotes would be well advised to accept the return of their town. Move in, repair with EU advisers and consultants, assert their municipal rights, using the same arguments the TCs have used since 1958 to establish separation of their municipalities from the Republic. The trunc will lose when it comes to a local community within the EU asserting its rights against a big bully. Handled right it could be a major victory for the local community. This is not just the RoC against Turkey, this is the community of Varosiotes against Turkey. The media will have a field day. Try to imagine some of the headlines in Bild, Spiegel and Le Monde.

Again, the proviso is "if it is handled right".

Of course the more likely reality is that the Varosi announcement is a crude device to plant division among the GCs over the EU presidency. But this is not a Cypriot matter, and those that cannot see this are super stupid. This is a prestige matter for the EU. The EU cannot back down from its established procedures. Even if the RoC were to unilaterally disown the rotating presidency, the EU would find a way to assert its precedures just to show it has international personality and presence.

Nikitas, would you invest cash in Varosha in the knowledge that the "border" into the town could be closed at any time? I think many will visit and some may camp out in their old homes. A few thousands GCs in the town followed by a demonstration or two and handful of martyrs could see Turkey forced out by international opinion. Can you imagine the outcry if GC "squatters" were kicked out of Varosha for a second time.

It's more than just politics, the bankrupt "trnc" would do well out of supplying labour, materials and utilities to rebuilding Varosha.

[B25]

If the proposal is serious the seriousness will be demonstrated by its implementation, and that is when things get interesting.

The population of Varosi was 45000 people. I am assuming that half will return if and when it is opened. So we have 25000 (approx.) EU CITIZENS who will be registered as returnees. Those people, under EU rules, have the right to set up their own municipality as they choose. Every precedent that Turkey has engineered for the minority in Thrace will have to apply in this case. Then they will want to set up their own schools, churches, businesses. As EU citizens they will be subject to EU tax regulations, ie VAT, which they will have to charge each other, and remit to...... whom? The EU takes part of the VAT receipts to finance itself.

The EU will want to inspect and verify that the conditions in the town, on simple matters like biological filtering of waste etc, are in accordance with its set rules. No doubt the TC authorities will propose that the town is under their control, to which the retort is that the municipality is made up entirely of EU citizens in an EU member nation, therefore EU rules apply and the confusion will be a wonderful surreal play.

It is one more manifestation of the Turkish dream to deny statehood to Cyprus, to dissolve the RoC. That kite won't fly.

The Varosiotes would be well advised to accept the return of their town. Move in, repair with EU advisers and consultants, assert their municipal rights, using the same arguments the TCs have used since 1958 to establish separation of their municipalities from the Republic. The trunc will lose when it comes to a local community within the EU asserting its rights against a big bully. Handled right it could be a major victory for the local community. This is not just the RoC against Turkey, this is the community of Varosiotes against Turkey. The media will have a field day. Try to imagine some of the headlines in Bild, Spiegel and Le Monde.

Again, the proviso is "if it is handled right".

Of course the more likely reality is that the Varosi announcement is a crude device to plant division among the GCs over the EU presidency. But this is not a Cypriot matter, and those that cannot see this are super stupid. This is a prestige matter for the EU. The EU cannot back down from its established procedures. Even if the RoC were to unilaterally disown the rotating presidency, the EU would find a way to assert its precedures just to show it has international personality and presence.

Nikitas, would you invest cash in Varosha in the knowledge that the "border" into the town could be closed at any time? I think many will visit and some may camp out in their old homes. A few thousands GCs in the town followed by a demonstration or two and handful of martyrs could see Turkey forced out by international opinion. Can you imagine the outcry if GC "squatters" were kicked out of Varosha for a second time.

It's more than just politics, the bankrupt "trnc" would do well out of supplying labour, materials and utilities to rebuilding Varosha.

It's not just the money is it Jerry, would you take your wife and children there under these conditions, knowing what the Turkish army did the first time in '74, would any one seriously risk that. If they did, then again they would have only themselves to blame if the turkish army decided it wanted some more GC pussy.

[kurupetos]

It's all Greek to me, however: -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57VG8PKbNOs

It's probably better to stick with your own.

[kurupetos]

If the proposal is serious the seriousness will be demonstrated by its implementation, and that is when things get interesting.

The population of Varosi was 45000 people. I am assuming that half will return if and when it is opened. So we have 25000 (approx.) EU CITIZENS who will be registered as returnees. Those people, under EU rules, have the right to set up their own municipality as they choose. Every precedent that Turkey has engineered for the minority in Thrace will have to apply in this case. Then they will want to set up their own schools, churches, businesses. As EU citizens they will be subject to EU tax regulations, ie VAT, which they will have to charge each other, and remit to...... whom? The EU takes part of the VAT receipts to finance itself.

The EU will want to inspect and verify that the conditions in the town, on simple matters like biological filtering of waste etc, are in accordance with its set rules. No doubt the TC authorities will propose that the town is under their control, to which the retort is that the municipality is made up entirely of EU citizens in an EU member nation, therefore EU rules apply and the confusion will be a wonderful surreal play.

It is one more manifestation of the Turkish dream to deny statehood to Cyprus, to dissolve the RoC. That kite won't fly.

The Varosiotes would be well advised to accept the return of their town. Move in, repair with EU advisers and consultants, assert their municipal rights, using the same arguments the TCs have used since 1958 to establish separation of their municipalities from the Republic. The trunc will lose when it comes to a local community within the EU asserting its rights against a big bully. Handled right it could be a major victory for the local community. This is not just the RoC against Turkey, this is the community of Varosiotes against Turkey. The media will have a field day. Try to imagine some of the headlines in Bild, Spiegel and Le Monde.

Again, the proviso is "if it is handled right".

Of course the more likely reality is that the Varosi announcement is a crude device to plant division among the GCs over the EU presidency. But this is not a Cypriot matter, and those that cannot see this are super stupid. This is a prestige matter for the EU. The EU cannot back down from its established procedures. Even if the RoC were to unilaterally disown the rotating presidency, the EU would find a way to assert its precedures just to show it has international personality and presence.

Nikitas, would you invest cash in Varosha in the knowledge that the "border" into the town could be closed at any time? I think many will visit and some may camp out in their old homes. A few thousands GCs in the town followed by a demonstration or two and handful of martyrs could see Turkey forced out by international opinion. Can you imagine the outcry if GC "squatters" were kicked out of Varosha for a second time.

It's more than just politics, the bankrupt "trnc" would do well out of supplying labour, materials and utilities to rebuilding Varosha.

It's not just the money is it Jerry, would you take your wife and children there under these conditions, knowing what the Turkish army did the first time in '74, would any one seriously risk that. If they did, then again they would have only themselves to blame if the turkish army decided it wanted some more GC pussy.

Let's ask the enclaved GCs, who have been living under the occupation regime since 1974, if they have had a joyful experience so far...

http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.nsf/A ... enDocument

IMO, the 'offer' is ridiculous and definitely unacceptable.

[Jerry]

It's all Greek to me, however: -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57VG8PKbNOs

It's probably better to stick with your own.

How about I stick something of my own up yours pushti.

[denizaksulu]

According to the TC newspaper Yeni Düzen, eroğlu has denied any such thing as returning Varosha to its legal owners. http://www.yeniduzen.com/detay.asp?a=42087&z=19...

[B25]

It's all Greek to me, however: -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57VG8PKbNOs

It's probably better to stick with your own.

How about I stick something of my own up yours pushti.

Nice one Jerry Kuru he had you there man.