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Re: "Varosha to open on 1st July?"

Postby denizaksulu » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:22 pm

Jerry wrote:Will they return all the goods they stole from the town as well? If the inhabitants return en masse the "trnc authorities" will have a serious problem keeping control of the situation and it could backfire badly on Turkey once the world media shows what that country has done out of sheer malice.


İts all gamesmanship. Politiking, thats all. Nothing new on the table as far as İ could discern. Apparently Erorglue took Ankata by surprise at these proposals. Been there, done tht before. Nothing tht the RoC will ccept. İ bet there are strings attached. Got to wait to see the color of these strings and Turkeys response. İ would not hold my breath.
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Re: "Varosha to open on 1st July?"

Postby B25 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:35 pm

Jerry wrote:
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B25 wrote:Who wants to go and spend any money doing up their places, Turkey cannot be trusted, they will lose it all and thats only a small part of it. The RoC should deal with this mockery immediately. No residents/owners should be allowed to return to continue these pathetic turkish BS games. They are just sore that the RoC will have a route to the world via its EU presidency, whilst the goliath sits on its arse looking in.


How will your leaders stop GCs wanting to reclaim their properties? and how will that reflect on your standing as President of the EU, Turkey is yet again one step ahead of the game.


Turkey is desperate and is just looking for ideas on how to fuckup the RoC presidency. Turkey has spat her dummy out of the pram and is helpless to stop it. Such big, tough talking, 'superpower' turkey, fucked again by Cyprus, bet that doesn't go down well in Ankara, does it. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Any idiot that takes up this ridiculous offer from turkey deserves all they get and I hope they lose more than any investment they make.



I think many may visit the ghost town but nobody will put any cash into the place all the while it is under TC control. The Greek Cypriots pay to rebuild the town, probably obliged to employ TC labour to boost "trnc" economy, and then Turkey takes it back. It sounds like a really good offer - for Turkey and the "trnc".


Jerry, you'd think, but there are enough idiots this side that would, and they need to be stopped. We cannot afford to place these silly turkish games. We need to be taking these opportunities, to highlight to the international community, EU, UN what we are having to deal with and make them look stupid.
Imagine an EU country with its EU citizens living under 3rd world mongolian mentality. WTF.
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Re: "Varosha to open on 1st July?"

Postby bill cobbett » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:54 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Jerry wrote:Will they return all the goods they stole from the town as well? If the inhabitants return en masse the "trnc authorities" will have a serious problem keeping control of the situation and it could backfire badly on Turkey once the world media shows what that country has done out of sheer malice.


İts all gamesmanship. Politiking, thats all. Nothing new on the table as far as İ could discern. Apparently Erorglue took Ankata by surprise at these proposals. Been there, done tht before. Nothing tht the RoC will ccept. İ bet there are strings attached. Got to wait to see the color of these strings and Turkeys response. İ would not hold my breath.

Agree with Deniz... It's a Spoiler. wait for confirmations and look for the Conditions... UN Ressies are clear on the matter Unconditional Return.
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Re: "Varosha to open on 1st July?"

Postby Viewpoint » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:17 pm

Jerry wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Jerry wrote:Will they return all the goods they stole from the town as well? If the inhabitants return en masse the "trnc authorities" will have a serious problem keeping control of the situation and it could backfire badly on Turkey once the world media shows what that country has done out of sheer malice.



For gods sake they will be allowing old owners back isnt that what you have been crying about for the last 38 years?



Many of the old owners are dead, so on their behlf (including my late father) thanks for nothing. It's a pretty hollow gesture if the GCs are going to have to enter via a TC checkpoint and are subject to passport control and searches. Free and uninhibited entry is needed if the place is to be rebuilt. I have a nasty feeling that this is going to backfire on Turkey and the "trnc", for example will you shoot anyone who raises a Greek flag in Varosha?


Hello we said you will return under the TRNC as you rejected it when offered as a package deal, which means abiding by our laws just as we do, as for it being a hollow gesture, isnt this what the people of Maraş have been demanding for 38 years? whats changed you are getting what you wanted...ho I know it must have something to do with being forced to live in a TC state.....how does it feel now the shoe is on the other foot?
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Re: "Varosha to open on 1st July?"

Postby Viewpoint » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:19 pm

B25 wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
B25 wrote:Who wants to go and spend any money doing up their places, Turkey cannot be trusted, they will lose it all and thats only a small part of it. The RoC should deal with this mockery immediately. No residents/owners should be allowed to return to continue these pathetic turkish BS games. They are just sore that the RoC will have a route to the world via its EU presidency, whilst the goliath sits on its arse looking in.


How will your leaders stop GCs wanting to reclaim their properties? and how will that reflect on your standing as President of the EU, Turkey is yet again one step ahead of the game.


Turkey is desperate and is just looking for ideas on how to fuckup the RoC presidency. Turkey has spat her dummy out of the pram and is helpless to stop it. Such big, tough talking, 'superpower' turkey, fucked again by Cyprus, bet that doesn't go down well in Ankara, does it. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Any idiot that takes up this ridiculous offer from turkey deserves all they get and I hope they lose more than any investment they make.


You havent got a clue...just want the GCs and others flood back.
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Re: "Varosha to open on 1st July?"

Postby Viewpoint » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:22 pm

Jerry wrote:
B25 wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
B25 wrote:Who wants to go and spend any money doing up their places, Turkey cannot be trusted, they will lose it all and thats only a small part of it. The RoC should deal with this mockery immediately. No residents/owners should be allowed to return to continue these pathetic turkish BS games. They are just sore that the RoC will have a route to the world via its EU presidency, whilst the goliath sits on its arse looking in.


How will your leaders stop GCs wanting to reclaim their properties? and how will that reflect on your standing as President of the EU, Turkey is yet again one step ahead of the game.


Turkey is desperate and is just looking for ideas on how to fuckup the RoC presidency. Turkey has spat her dummy out of the pram and is helpless to stop it. Such big, tough talking, 'superpower' turkey, fucked again by Cyprus, bet that doesn't go down well in Ankara, does it. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Any idiot that takes up this ridiculous offer from turkey deserves all they get and I hope they lose more than any investment they make.



I think many may visit the ghost town but nobody will put any cash into the place all the while it is under TC control. The Greek Cypriots pay to rebuild the town, probably obliged to employ TC labour to boost "trnc" economy, and then Turkey takes it back. It sounds like a really good offer - for Turkey and the "trnc".


Its called politics, all we need is for the GCs to reject the offer and hey presto Turkey proves once again the negative GCs.
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Re: "Varosha to open on 1st July?"

Postby kurupetos » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:49 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Jerry wrote:Will they return all the goods they stole from the town as well? If the inhabitants return en masse the "trnc authorities" will have a serious problem keeping control of the situation and it could backfire badly on Turkey once the world media shows what that country has done out of sheer malice.


İts all gamesmanship. Politiking, thats all. Nothing new on the table as far as İ could discern. Apparently Erorglue took Ankata by surprise at these proposals. Been there, done tht before. Nothing tht the RoC will ccept. İ bet there are strings attached. Got to wait to see the color of these strings and Turkeys response. İ would not hold my breath.

You need a new pair of spectacles. :lol:
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Re: "Varosha to open on 1st July?"

Postby bill cobbett » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:50 pm

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Re: "Varosha to open on 1st July?"

Postby Nikitas » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:01 pm

If the proposal is serious the seriousness will be demonstrated by its implementation, and that is when things get interesting.

The population of Varosi was 45000 people. I am assuming that half will return if and when it is opened. So we have 25000 (approx.) EU CITIZENS who will be registered as returnees. Those people, under EU rules, have the right to set up their own municipality as they choose. Every precedent that Turkey has engineered for the minority in Thrace will have to apply in this case. Then they will want to set up their own schools, churches, businesses. As EU citizens they will be subject to EU tax regulations, ie VAT, which they will have to charge each other, and remit to...... whom? The EU takes part of the VAT receipts to finance itself.

The EU will want to inspect and verify that the conditions in the town, on simple matters like biological filtering of waste etc, are in accordance with its set rules. No doubt the TC authorities will propose that the town is under their control, to which the retort is that the municipality is made up entirely of EU citizens in an EU member nation, therefore EU rules apply and the confusion will be a wonderful surreal play.

It is one more manifestation of the Turkish dream to deny statehood to Cyprus, to dissolve the RoC. That kite won't fly.

The Varosiotes would be well advised to accept the return of their town. Move in, repair with EU advisers and consultants, assert their municipal rights, using the same arguments the TCs have used since 1958 to establish separation of their municipalities from the Republic. The trunc will lose when it comes to a local community within the EU asserting its rights against a big bully. Handled right it could be a major victory for the local community. This is not just the RoC against Turkey, this is the community of Varosiotes against Turkey. The media will have a field day. Try to imagine some of the headlines in Bild, Spiegel and Le Monde.

Again, the proviso is "if it is handled right".

Of course the more likely reality is that the Varosi announcement is a crude device to plant division among the GCs over the EU presidency. But this is not a Cypriot matter, and those that cannot see this are super stupid. This is a prestige matter for the EU. The EU cannot back down from its established procedures. Even if the RoC were to unilaterally disown the rotating presidency, the EU would find a way to assert its precedures just to show it has international personality and presence.
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Re: "Varosha to open on 1st July?"

Postby kurupetos » Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:02 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Jerry wrote:
B25 wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
B25 wrote:Who wants to go and spend any money doing up their places, Turkey cannot be trusted, they will lose it all and thats only a small part of it. The RoC should deal with this mockery immediately. No residents/owners should be allowed to return to continue these pathetic turkish BS games. They are just sore that the RoC will have a route to the world via its EU presidency, whilst the goliath sits on its arse looking in.


How will your leaders stop GCs wanting to reclaim their properties? and how will that reflect on your standing as President of the EU, Turkey is yet again one step ahead of the game.


Turkey is desperate and is just looking for ideas on how to fuckup the RoC presidency. Turkey has spat her dummy out of the pram and is helpless to stop it. Such big, tough talking, 'superpower' turkey, fucked again by Cyprus, bet that doesn't go down well in Ankara, does it. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Any idiot that takes up this ridiculous offer from turkey deserves all they get and I hope they lose more than any investment they make.



I think many may visit the ghost town but nobody will put any cash into the place all the while it is under TC control. The Greek Cypriots pay to rebuild the town, probably obliged to employ TC labour to boost "trnc" economy, and then Turkey takes it back. It sounds like a really good offer - for Turkey and the "trnc".


Its called politics, all we need is for the GCs to reject the offer and hey presto Turkey proves once again the negative GCs.

What if we propose something else and you reject it? :lol:
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