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[GreekIslandGirl]

"That's the (dated) Estonian article which you (fully) misunderstand. It demonstrates how similar people are to their nearest neighbors which is a well established finding. It therefore confirms Cypriots as of being from THIS neighborhood by being similar to people from the Levant including those from CRETE. We KNOW that we (those in mainland Greece and its islands) have been here for tens of thousands of years. This is not in dispute. What you fail to understand is that our similarities as Greeks - migrational, historical and cultural - are as similar as can be expected and we share diminishing/increasing similarities with other historical neighbors depending on our geographical distances. What this article does NOT do is provide evidence for your deluded deductions about non-relatedness to Mycenaeans! As far as I know, no one has done -specifically - migrational DNA charts of the people from the Peloponnese with those of Cyprus - but one trip to Laconia should open your eyes! However, our exchanges with the mainland and its islands are NOT limited to 'relations' with Myceneans - "

Stop acting like a racist idiot. A casual observation of the physical make-up of Cypriot people shows that they are , as should be expected , a mixture of all the neighbouring peoples.

There is nothing racist about my comment which addresses nearest neighbour differences/similarities (now underlined to ease your understanding). The racist is you who insists Cypriots are NOT similar to their neighbours if those neighbours happen to be called Greek.

[supporttheunderdog]

Another example of you trying to disparge evidence that is potentially critical to those foreigners to Cyprus, the Greeks. The article shows the Cretans and Levantine peoples (and Ancient Southern Anatolian peoples) are similar to the Cypriots as they probably all came out of the same waves of Migrants of the middle east . There are however observed differences to mainland Greeks who only emerged as recogniseably Greek some thousands of years later - probbaly from about 2000BC and who were not responsble for the primary permanent settlement of Cyprus nor are they probably the main ancestors of the marority of modern Cypriots, who, as the article indicates, along with the Cretans (but less so for them), probably represent a substantially settled population for these many thousands of years.

The question therefore is how did the Cypriots become Greek - as I have said before probably as result of conquest events involving ultimate cultural supression of indigeonous Cypriot Language and Culture starting with a likely Mycenaean invasion in about 1100-1000 BC, ending with the Ptolomaic invasion in about 320 BC or so.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Another example of you trying to disparge evidence that is potentially critical to those foreigners to Cyprus, the Greeks. The article shows the Cretans and Levantine peoples (and Ancient Southern Anatolian peoples) are similar to the Cypriots as they probably all came out of the same waves of Migrants of the middle east . There are however observed differences to mainland Greeks who only emerged as recogniseably Greek some thousands of years later - probbaly from about 2000BC and who were not responsble for the primary permanent settlement of Cyprus nor are they probably the main ancestors of the marority of modern Cypriots, who, as the article indicates, along with the Cretans (but less so for them), probably represent a substantially settled population for these many thousands of years.

The question therefore is how did the Cypriots become Greek - as I have said before probably as result of conquest events involving ultimate cultural supression of indigeonous Cypriot Language and Culture starting with a likely Mycenaean invasion in about 1100-1000 BC, ending with the Ptolomaic invasion in about 320 BC or so.

That paper has no data to support your anti- Greek claims. Yes, you can ask questions - but you cannot supply the answers by making stuff up. Your personal prejudices are evident. It is YOU who is trying to culturally suppress the Greek people and not the migrating peoples and traders from thousands of years ago!

Here are some of the ways the British suppressed our Greek culture - not some thousands of years ago but only a few decades ago:

1. Banishment of ecclesiastical and national leaders, including Archbishop Makarios and other prelates.
2. Imprisonment or detention of citizens without charge or trial.
3. Arbitrary arrests and searches of homes by troops and the police without warrant - experienced by my own parents. Theft of valuables during 'searches'.
4. Flogging of children for having Greek flags - plus hangings.
5. Imposition of the death penalty on the basis of biased evidence by Turkish mercenaries.
6. Destruction of rural property, including the uprooting of thousands of fruit trees.
7.Burning of forests by random bombing and deliberate arson. Burning of freedom fighter.
8. Ill treatment of innocent persons going about their business.
9. Collective fines and the closing down of shops, resulting in economic ruin and famine for the islanders.
10. Mining to destruction.
11. Deliberate prevention of infrastructure projects e.g. Dam building.
12. Closing of schools and training colleges.
13. Almost 24 hour curfews for entire urban populations to limit Church going activities.
14. Limiting justice to GCs by employing Turks to police.

[repulsewarrior]

...what will change for me?
what has changed for me?

you see vp, i/I fight for Cyprus. everyday i used to tend my trees, our trees were tended too.
were you here before the "fait accompli"? it is the "Greeks" and the "Turks" who have held their
debate without success, it is about time for the Greeks and Turks to create their own Agenda.
...but what do i know, coming from a "mixed" village.

enosis, better means, to mend. its meaning Historically changed over time. i take it to mean
the future as one. you, if you are a "Turk", take it to mean belonging to Greece, or belonging
to Turkey, as though this is correct thinking. i say as Cypriots we have the great distinction of defining
the words Nation and State more clearly, and demonstrating to the rest of Mankind a meaning for
the word, Bicommunal, (and now Bizonal), in a manner which can be held in high esteem by its emulation;
please read my manifesto, and need i remind you, your observations are important to me,
after all some of it came from your inspiration.

...don't make me your enemy, just because it seems, you can no longer ignore my attention; that's too easy.

dude, those PM's you sent long ago, do you remember sending them? what makes you think anything has changed,
you wanted to be freinds, and we were united with one idea, that Cyprus belongs to Cypriots, not "Greeks" and "Turks",
being Bicommunal, i say all Cypriots are Cypriots first when it comes to defending their State as Individuals, being
Bicommunal means, as well, National Assemblies, and being Bizonal means Territorial Jurisdictions, where Cypriots
by where they reside are Minorities or Majorities within an electorate of Persons (a National Assembly) so that through
their self-representation as Greeks, Turks, Maronites, Armenians, (Jews, British,) and Romes they can sustain a Living
Heritance with their respect and recognition for the "others" amongst them, while they vote as well for a Government
for their Republic, each citizen with one vote for the Betterment of Human Conditions.

...do not dismiss the fact that "Greeks" and "Turks" are a set within larger circles of Greeks and Turks who in a wider sense are no different to the other Communities who can call Cyprus a Home. the debate as it is, is flawed. Mankind, as you say, 'gifted' Cyprus to Cypriots. only "Greeks" and "Turks", over this, express their discontent. "Turks" think they have the demographic stranglehold to leave Cyprus an impotent speck of geography like it was before the Treaty of Lausanne, i say Greeks and Turks, Maronites, etc. are headed toward extinction fast, and that the population of Cyprus is 12.5 million sooner than later.

...vp, things can't stay the same forever, Freedom for Cyprus, one Government one Country; Freedom for Cypriots, many National Assemblies.

cheers!

...what does enosis mean today? what does it mean to you?