cyprusgrump wrote:georgios100 wrote:Grump, you are misguiding yourself into conclusions that make no sense.
All nations had adequate conventional power plants prior to when the wind power came into play.
So, let's call them existing power capability. A necessary evil, if you may.
Now, adding renewable energy sources like wind, solar etc only compliments the existing power infrastructure.
It provides savings on fossil fuel consumption. It promotes pollution reduction. It reduces our addiction to oil.
It create jobs. It makes us less dependent on Saudi, Libya or Iranian oil imports. Less money is gone abroad
to pay for these imports. In a few words, it makes sense.
Think of it as buying a second (smaller) car to move easier around the city, park easier and save on petrol.
We pay again or twice for another car besides the fact that we already have one. It makes sense.
We buy a cell phone to carry around and speak while we walk. but we have a house phone already. So, why buy or pay
for the same phone twice? It,s convenient. It makes sense.
Within a few years, wind generated power per kw will become cheaper than running a diesel unit. Then, more countries
will "jump" on wind installations. Why? It makes sense. For now wind is more expensive than diesel so it gets subsidized - Make sense.
People who object to renewable energy sources have no vision. Short term thinking, short sided solutions, keep things the way they are now,
continue on the fossil fuel regiment shall lead to disaster in the long run.
Unless fusion or other energy alternatives are discovered, renewable energy sources is the only path to follow.
What is your stance on this? What are you proposing for long term energy supply?
No, your conclusions and examples make no sense.
You agree that we already had existing power plants.
You agree that wind and solar are additional to our requirements.
The difference between wind and a second car is that I am not forced to buy a second car against my will.
Moreover, if I did choose to purchase a second car, I wouldn't choose one which only worked for three days a week. And I certainly wouldn't choose a car that was more expensive to run than every other car on the market.
And I choose to have a mobile phone because I can make calls when I am away from home. I wouldn't buy once which only worked Monday, Wednesday and some Sundays and cost €50 per minute.
If/when wind becomes cheaper than conventional generation - GREAT! - that will be the time to jump on the bandwagon and install it. Not when it costs twice as much and we are forced against our will to pay exorbitant prices to subsidise it.
It makes no sense to force people into fuel poverty based on an arbitrary 'renewable' energy target thought up somewhere in the unelected bowels of the EU. It makes no sense.
What will lead to disaster in the long run is attempting to meet impossible reductions in CO2 by relying on 'renewable' energy sources which simply aren't up to the job. The UK is going to face blackouts if they continue on their planned path (although the arrest and replacement of Chris Huhne as energy secretary may give the government a way out) of reliance on renewables.
As for long term supply, there are vast gas reserves being discovered all over - gas will provide our energy needs for many years after the oil runs out - although as I mentioned earlier, there is still no evidence of that happening.
Your whole case rests on the fact the the EU forced Cyprus to install wind power as per EU guidelines. You are levied a whooping 2.5% green tax on your hydro bill. You see the wind turbines from your kitchen window. Your property value is gone down. On calm days, the turbines sit idle. You feel ripped off by both the EU & ROC. You are pissed!!! Tell you what... I share your pain. From your side, you are right to complain.
On the other hand, I know of many other countries who were not forced by the EU to install wind power (Canada, USA, China, India etc). Why did they invest in wind?
According to you, they were scammed into it! As a result, the governments of all these countries are stupid, ignorant and easy prey to fraud and deception.
Furthermore, as you claim, these countries went ahead and install wind power, regardless of the widely known abundance of fossil fuels. In reality, they spent billions of taxpayer money for absolutely no reason at all!
I wonder why here, in North America, we don't complain about it. As a matter of fact, we want more wind power be installed due to high wind resources available to us. And, mind you, we have a green tax on our bills as well. I can count very very few who oppose green energy here.
On the contrary, in the UK, there is a massive protest against the green movement. I fail to understand why. There can be only one explanation... Brits were and still are "different" than the rest of us...