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[Jerry]

“The following is a dispassionate, well-informed, and somewhat prescient analysis of the Cyprus agreements forged in Zurich and London in 1959. Written by analysts, no doubt with constitutional law scholars among them, at the U.S. State Department, it provides excellent summary and insights into many aspects of the constitutional structure, including the inherent problems in the founding principles of the new republic.

The new constitution of Cyprus will be one of the very few constitutions now in existence which stipulates a dual chief executive. Article I of the Basic Structure provides for a Greek President to be elected by the Greek community and a Turkish Vice President to be elected by the Turkish community. Both officials serve for five years. In spite of the terminology, the President and the Vice President are actually joint chief executives of Cyprus
The series of interlocking documents which constitute the Cyprus settlement establishes a very intricate basis for the new Republic of Cyprus. In a number of respects the solution agreed upon sets up new and largely untried procedures. It attempts to combine some features of a condominium by the three powers with full self-government and independence for the island. It also endeavors to codify in detail the position and rights of the two communities instead of relying on constitutional custom as other countries have done in similar situations. There are dangers inherent not only in the comparative rigidity of the structure of the new state but also in the detailed codification of community rights which will tend to perpetuate rather than eliminate the communal cleavages. However, it is doubtful that the bitterness created by communal strife in Cyprus would have made a more generalized solution acceptable. In the last analysis the success or failure of the Cypriot experiment will depend not only on the ability of the two communities in the island to cooperate, but even more so upon continued collaboration of Greece and Turkey. This collaboration may well become the crucial factor in the future of Cyprus.”http://web.archive.org/web/20060810041339/http://cyprus-conflict.net/analysis_of_treaties.htm

Well we know how sincere Turkey was regarding collaboration, importing arms to the island before the ink was dry on the agreement. VP's response, "you signed it" crap does not wash. If it is still valid why is Turkey still occupying and re-population the island in contravention of the agreement. You can't pick and choose which bits you want to ignore and which bits to keep. Besides, because of the lack of goodwill and the poison of the preceding decade both sides viewed the Zurich agreement as an interim measure. The agreement was a poisoned chalice left behind by the semi-departing colonial power, even the US State Department could see that in 1960.

[Viewpoint]

Jerry

VP's response, "you signed it" crap does not wash. If it is still valid why is Turkey still occupying and re-population the island in contravention of the agreement.

Go on have a stab at why they are still here....nothing has been resolved we are as we were in 1974 unresolved due to stubbornness on both sides of the divide. You cannot expect us to remove the TA out of the equation when you continue to display the same attitude of wanting TCs to capitulate to become a minority in a GC state. You need to get over the fact that you signed that right away in 1960 and theres nothing you can do or say to erase that. Its from these agreements that the TCs became a partner with rights that neither you nor the international community can ignore. We have a 50% say in any future agreements if we are to unite, its about time those stupid GCs that feel we are insignificant get to terms with the idea that without us on board this island will never be reunited.

[Jerry]

Jerry

VP's response, "you signed it" crap does not wash. If it is still valid why is Turkey still occupying and re-population the island in contravention of the agreement.

Go on have a stab at why they are still here....nothing has been resolved we are as we were in 1974 unresolved due to stubbornness on both sides of the divide. You cannot expect us to remove the TA out of the equation when you continue to display the same attitude of wanting TCs to capitulate to become a minority in a GC state. You need to get over the fact that you signed that right away in 1960 and theres nothing you can do or say to erase that. Its from these agreements that the TCs became a partner with rights that neither you nor the international community can ignore. We have a 50% say in any future agreements if we are to unite, its about time those stupid GCs that feel we are insignificant get to terms with the idea that without us on board this island will never be reunited.

Contrary to the Zurich Agreement something has been "resolved," the north has been ethnically cleansed and re-populated, how do you square that with your insitence we stick to it?

Where else on this earth are an 18% minority equal partners?

As a general principle agreements signed under duress are not binding.

[Viewpoint]

That excuse is baloney this is not some will or bank documents, its an international binding agreement which you signed and cannot renege otherwise this would open up Pandora`s box and all international agreements would become null and void, so peddling that sort of rubbish not only makes you not foolish but someone who cannot be trusted to sign any future agreements because as soon as it did not suit them they would renege. This is why we TCs demand guarantees and a structure that would force you to stick to any agreement that you would sign.

As to things being resolved we may have moved on and gotten on with our lives by declaring our own country but we have not resolved any issues between the two sides, thats why the TA remain and no one does anything to get rid of them, what you have to man up about is that the current division is just as much your fault as it is mine, only then will you understand that its a partnership deal not they are a minority so we have every right to treat them that way.....no Mr GC is aint gonna work you need to rethink things I may be shorter in height but it makes me no less a partner.

[Jerry]

That excuse is baloney this is not some will or bank documents, its an international binding agreement which you signed and cannot renege otherwise this would open up Pandora`s box and all international agreements would become null and void, so peddling that sort of rubbish not only makes you not foolish but someone who cannot be trusted to sign any future agreements because as soon as it did not suit them they would renege. This is why we TCs demand guarantees and a structure that would force you to stick to any agreement that you would sign.

As to things being resolved we may have moved on and gotten on with our lives by declaring our own country but we have not resolved any issues between the two sides, thats why the TA remain and no one does anything to get rid of them, what you have to man up about is that the current division is just as much your fault as it is mine, only then will you understand that its a partnership deal not they are a minority so we have every right to treat them that way.....no Mr GC is aint gonna work you need to rethink things I may be shorter in height but it makes me no less a partner.

I really don't know why I bother, it's just like talking to a child, same old "we are equal" crap. Go back to school VP and learn some maths, 18 does not equal 82.

[Viewpoint]

That excuse is baloney this is not some will or bank documents, its an international binding agreement which you signed and cannot renege otherwise this would open up Pandora`s box and all international agreements would become null and void, so peddling that sort of rubbish not only makes you not foolish but someone who cannot be trusted to sign any future agreements because as soon as it did not suit them they would renege. This is why we TCs demand guarantees and a structure that would force you to stick to any agreement that you would sign.

As to things being resolved we may have moved on and gotten on with our lives by declaring our own country but we have not resolved any issues between the two sides, thats why the TA remain and no one does anything to get rid of them, what you have to man up about is that the current division is just as much your fault as it is mine, only then will you understand that its a partnership deal not they are a minority so we have every right to treat them that way.....no Mr GC is aint gonna work you need to rethink things I may be shorter in height but it makes me no less a partner.

I really don't know why I bother, it's just like talking to a child, same old "we are equal" crap. Go back to school VP and learn some maths, 18 does not equal 82.

Let me give a quick lesson;

GCs 70% + TCs 30% + Veto = Equality between the 2 sides, (Dont forget this has your signature on it)

[bill cobbett]

There's a world of difference between two zones of equal political powers and two "equal communities".

[Jerry]

There's a world of difference between two zones of equal political powers and two "equal communities".

That's far too complex for VP to figure out Bill, she can't get her head round simple arithmetic, how do you expect her to understand that.

[Viewpoint]

There's a world of difference between two zones of equal political powers and two "equal communities".

That's far too complex for VP to figure out Bill, she can't get her head round simple arithmetic, how do you expect her to understand that.

You know you cannot brush aside what you placed your signature on so accept us as your equal partners not a minority to be manipulated and pushed around as you please.

[bill cobbett]

There's a world of difference between two zones of equal political powers and two "equal communities".

That's far too complex for VP to figure out Bill, she can't get her head round simple arithmetic, how do you expect her to understand that.

You know you cannot brush aside what you placed your signature on so accept us as your equal partners not a minority to be manipulated and pushed around as you please.

The far right Illegal Regime and its supporter VP reneged on deals in the early '60s and in every year since. They are not to be trusted.