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Re: Rebranding Greece

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:27 pm

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wyoming cowboy wrote:A passage from Edith Hamilton's, Classical Greek Mythology

"....On earth too, the deities were exceedingly and humanly attractive. In the form of lovely youths and maidens they peopled the woodland, the forest, the rivers, the sea, in harmony with the fair earth and the bright "Greek" waters.
That is the miracle of Greek mythology--a humanized world, men freed from the paralyzing fear of an omnipotent Unknown. The terrifying incomprehensiblities which were worshipped elsewhere, and the fearsome spirits with which earth, air and sea swarmed, were banned from Greece. It may seem odd to say that the men wwho made the myths disliked the irrational and had a love for facts, but it is true, no matter how wildly fantastic some of the stories are. Anyone who reads them with attention discovers that even the most nonsensical take place in a world which is essentially rational and matter of fact. Hercules, whose life was one of long combat against preposterous monsters, is always said to have had his home in the city of Thebes. The winged Pegasus steed after skimming the air all day, went every night to a comfortable stable in Corinth. A familiar local habitation gave reality to all the mythical beings. If the mixture seems childish consider the how reassuring and how sensible the solid background is as compared with the Genie who comes from nowhere when Alladin rubs the lamp and his task accomplished returns to nowhere.

.....The terryfing irrational has no place in classical Greek mythology. ..........The demonic wizards and the hideous old witches who haunted Europe and America, too, up to quite recent years, play no part at all in the stories. Circe and Medea are the only witches and they are young and of surpassing beauty- delightful, not horrible. Astrology, which has flourished from the days of ancient Babylon down to today, is completely absent from classical Greece. There are many stories about the stars but not a trace of the idea that they influence men's lives. Astronomy is what the Greek mind finally made out of the stars. The priest is rarely seen and is never of importance. In the Odyssey when a priest and a poet fall on their knees before Odysseus, praying him to spare their lives. Oddyseus kills the priest and spares the poet. Homer says that he felt awe to slay a man who had been taught his devine art by the gods. "


I actually had an epiphany reading this passage from Mrs. Hamilton's book......and was hoping others had it too.

Could it be that after the Hellenes were infused with Christianity and an overbearing God, we lost our way. How can a people who lived under the hot mediterranean sun, during the day,and rested at night next to the serene Aegean and Mediterranean Seas not have an intense imagination. And then you couple that with the beauty of their myths, where you were rewarded not punished for reaching for the gods, and you have the Hellenic culture. The Hellenes were then subjected to Christianity and held against their will and injected with fears doubts and donts. Through christianity we also connected ourselves to the Northern European and his fearful myths, what beauty does a Nordic/german see every morning when he wakes up. The foggy chilly mornings, or the endless forboding snowy landscape. The culture of the Germans and their likes had to be structured and controlled, which goes against the individuality of the Greek. They want Greece to have a manufacturing sector, the northerners say, what Greek would want to sit at the same spot for 12 hours doing the same thing over and over again, when the Aegean and mediterranean are just outside the factory's window....what a dreary and disgusting life!!!

just a thought.....


I disagree with her simplistic approach. There is increasing evidence that the belief in the Olympian gods was whittled down to one (e.g. Plato/Socrates) by the time of the New Testament. That the Holy Trinity was a step towards that (still retained). The NT owes a lot to the worship of wise and moralistic Apollo (continued for several hundred years, AD) and that the philosophical teachings of the Hellenes (e.g. Epictetus) morphed into the wisdom of Jesus. A lot of this was absorbed into the Byzantium re-interpretations (re-branding?) which made more allowances for the scientific discoveries. There was a lot of early resistance to all this (e.g. the burning of the library at Alexandria) but still we retain many Olympian myths within Christianity (e.g. the eggs which signified Zeus turning himself into a swan to beget Leda's children).
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Re: Rebranding Greece

Postby yialousa1971 » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:44 pm

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wyoming cowboy wrote:Could it be that after the Hellenes were infused with Christianity and an overbearing God, we lost our way. How can a people who lived under the hot mediterranean sun, during the day,and rested at night next to the serene Aegean and Mediterranean Seas not have an intense imagination. And then you couple that with the beauty of their myths, where you were rewarded not punished for reaching for the gods, and you have the Hellenic culture. The Hellenes were then subjected to Christianity and held against their will and injected with fears doubts and donts. Through christianity we also connected ourselves to the Northern European and his fearful myths, what beauty does a Nordic/german see every morning when he wakes up. The foggy chilly mornings, or the endless forboding snowy landscape. The culture of the Germans and their likes had to be structured and controlled, which goes against the individuality of the Greek. They want Greece to have a manufacturing sector, the northerners say, what Greek would want to sit at the same spot for 12 hours doing the same thing over and over again, when the Aegean and mediterranean are just outside the factory's window....what a dreary and disgusting life!!!

Furniture moving idiot of the forum,

Barnabas the Cypriot is the founder of the Cypriot Church because he brought Christianity FIRST to Cyprus (40-50AD) and later to other (now European) locations including Greece, via Antioch (present day Turkey).

Prior to Barnabas’ teachings paganism reigned supreme all over Europe including your beloved Greece! (which didn’t even exist)

From the Old Testament…

Acts 11:20: “Some of them, however, men from Cyprus and Cyrene, went to Antioch and began to speak to Greeks also, telling them the good news about the Lord Jesus.”

Acts 21:16: “Some of the disciples from Caesarea accompanied us and brought us to the home of Mnason, where we were to stay. He was a man from Cyprus and one of the early disciples.”

Isaiah 23:1: “Wail, O ships of Tarshish! For Tyre is destroyed and left without house or harbor. From the land of Cyprus word has come to them.”

Ezekiel 27:6: “Of oaks from Bashan they made your oars; of cypress wood from the coasts of Cyprus they made your deck, inlaid with ivory.”

Acts 4:36: “Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means Son of Encouragement),”

Therefore, your little paragraph about... “Hellenes in Cyprus moonlighting with God” is the STUPIDEST thing I’ve ever heard in my life! :lol: :lol: :lol:


Don't you mean the New Testament unkie. :lol:

And some of them were men of Cyprus

That is, some of the preachers, that were scattered abroad, were Jews born at Cyprus: such was Barnabas particularly, ( Acts 4:36 ) though he was not among these, as appears from ( Acts 11:22 ) "and Cyrene"; such were Simon that carried the cross after Christ, and his sons Alexander and Rufus, ( Mark 15:21 ) and others that heard the apostles speak with tongues on the day of Pentecost, ( Acts 2:10 )

http://www.biblestudytools.com/commenta ... 11-20.html

Back to the basement for you unkie. :twisted:
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Re: Rebranding Greece

Postby Get Real! » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:48 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Where does the Holy scripture verify "CYPRIOTS" as you (wrongfully) claim?

You really have run out of ideas, GR! We've covered all this before; and even your above quotes clearly state "men of Cyprus" who at that time were Greeks who spoke Greek (now that is in your scripture!).

Read it again idiot... you'll get there eventually!

Acts 11:20: “Some of them, however, men from Cyprus and Cyrene, went to Antioch and began to speak to Greeks also, telling them the good news about the Lord Jesus.”

Consequently, any man of Cyprus who was NOT Greek had to be identified by his difference/minority status e.g. "a Levite from Cyprus" (again not verified as "CYPRIOT").

Idiot, a Levite is a Jew! In other words a "Levite from Cyprus" is a Cypriot whose religion is Jewish!

And what else could the first disciples possibly have been if not Jewish??? :lol:
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Re: Rebranding Greece

Postby Get Real! » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:51 pm

yialousa1971 wrote:Acts 11:19-24
20. Luke doth at length declare that certain of them brought this treasure even unto the Gentiles. And Luke calleth these Grecians not Ellenes, but Ellenistai. Therefore, some say that those came of the Jews, yet did they inhabit Greece; which I do not allow. For seeing the Jews, whom he mentioned a little before, were partly of Cyprus, they must needs be reckoned in that number, because the Jews count Cyprus a part of Greece.


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This is NOT scripture from the bible and only a lying cheating Greek like Yialoser would do something heretic like that!
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Re: Rebranding Greece

Postby Get Real! » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:54 pm

Yialoser, I haven’t the FAINSTEST idea the point you’re trying to make in your second post!

Do you wanna try again? :lol:
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Re: Rebranding Greece

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:01 pm

Get Real! wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Where does the Holy scripture verify "CYPRIOTS" as you (wrongfully) claim?

You really have run out of ideas, GR! We've covered all this before; and even your above quotes clearly state "men of Cyprus" who at that time were Greeks who spoke Greek (now that is in your scripture!).

Read it again idiot... you'll get there eventually!

Acts 11:20: “Some of them, however, men from Cyprus and Cyrene, went to Antioch and began to speak to Greeks also, telling them the good news about the Lord Jesus.”


The only meaningful interpretation to come out of the above is NOT that the scripture mentions "CYPRIOTS" as per your claim; but that these "men from Cyprus" spoke Greek!

Consequently, any man of Cyprus who was NOT Greek had to be identified by his difference/minority status e.g. "a Levite from Cyprus" (again not verified as "CYPRIOT").

Idiot, a Levite is a Jew! In other words a "Levite from Cyprus" is a Cypriot whose religion is Jewish!

And what else could the first disciples possibly have been if not Jewish??? :lol:


Again, your ducking from the point you made that the scripture calls them "CYPRIOT". It does not! They are either "men from Cyprus" (who spoke Greek) or they are Levites or Jews (who cares?) "from Cyprus" not "CYPRIOTS" - again, revealing your lies!
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Re: Rebranding Greece

Postby Get Real! » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:01 pm

Such a simple sentence written in such basic English yet our university graduate Hellenes seemingly have great difficulty understanding it… :lol:

“Some of them, however, men from Cyprus and Cyrene, went to Antioch and began to speak to Greeks also, telling them the good news about the Lord Jesus.”
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Re: Rebranding Greece

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:06 pm

Get Real! wrote:Such a simple sentence written in such basic English yet our university graduate Hellenes seemingly have great difficulty understanding it… :lol:

“Some of them, however, men from Cyprus and Cyrene, went to Antioch and began to speak to Greeks also, telling them the good news about the Lord Jesus.”


If they spoke to Greeks (these "men of Cyprus") it means that they were Greek-speakers from Cyprus (at a time when the majority on Cyprus were Greek).

You have failed to support your claim that the scriptures state "CYPRIOTS".
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Re: Rebranding Greece

Postby wyoming cowboy » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:06 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
wyoming cowboy wrote:
wyoming cowboy wrote:A passage from Edith Hamilton's, Classical Greek Mythology

"....On earth too, the deities were exceedingly and humanly attractive. In the form of lovely youths and maidens they peopled the woodland, the forest, the rivers, the sea, in harmony with the fair earth and the bright "Greek" waters.
That is the miracle of Greek mythology--a humanized world, men freed from the paralyzing fear of an omnipotent Unknown. The terrifying incomprehensiblities which were worshipped elsewhere, and the fearsome spirits with which earth, air and sea swarmed, were banned from Greece. It may seem odd to say that the men wwho made the myths disliked the irrational and had a love for facts, but it is true, no matter how wildly fantastic some of the stories are. Anyone who reads them with attention discovers that even the most nonsensical take place in a world which is essentially rational and matter of fact. Hercules, whose life was one of long combat against preposterous monsters, is always said to have had his home in the city of Thebes. The winged Pegasus steed after skimming the air all day, went every night to a comfortable stable in Corinth. A familiar local habitation gave reality to all the mythical beings. If the mixture seems childish consider the how reassuring and how sensible the solid background is as compared with the Genie who comes from nowhere when Alladin rubs the lamp and his task accomplished returns to nowhere.

.....The terryfing irrational has no place in classical Greek mythology. ..........The demonic wizards and the hideous old witches who haunted Europe and America, too, up to quite recent years, play no part at all in the stories. Circe and Medea are the only witches and they are young and of surpassing beauty- delightful, not horrible. Astrology, which has flourished from the days of ancient Babylon down to today, is completely absent from classical Greece. There are many stories about the stars but not a trace of the idea that they influence men's lives. Astronomy is what the Greek mind finally made out of the stars. The priest is rarely seen and is never of importance. In the Odyssey when a priest and a poet fall on their knees before Odysseus, praying him to spare their lives. Oddyseus kills the priest and spares the poet. Homer says that he felt awe to slay a man who had been taught his devine art by the gods. "


I actually had an epiphany reading this passage from Mrs. Hamilton's book......and was hoping others had it too.

Could it be that after the Hellenes were infused with Christianity and an overbearing God, we lost our way. How can a people who lived under the hot mediterranean sun, during the day,and rested at night next to the serene Aegean and Mediterranean Seas not have an intense imagination. And then you couple that with the beauty of their myths, where you were rewarded not punished for reaching for the gods, and you have the Hellenic culture. The Hellenes were then subjected to Christianity and held against their will and injected with fears doubts and donts. Through christianity we also connected ourselves to the Northern European and his fearful myths, what beauty does a Nordic/german see every morning when he wakes up. The foggy chilly mornings, or the endless forboding snowy landscape. The culture of the Germans and their likes had to be structured and controlled, which goes against the individuality of the Greek. They want Greece to have a manufacturing sector, the northerners say, what Greek would want to sit at the same spot for 12 hours doing the same thing over and over again, when the Aegean and mediterranean are just outside the factory's window....what a dreary and disgusting life!!!

just a thought.....


I disagree with her simplistic approach. There is increasing evidence that the belief in the Olympian gods was whittled down to one (e.g. Plato/Socrates) by the time of the New Testament. That the Holy Trinity was a step towards that (still retained). The NT owes a lot to the worship of wise and moralistic Apollo (continued for several hundred years, AD) and that the philosophical teachings of the Hellenes (e.g. Epictetus) morphed into the wisdom of Jesus. A lot of this was absorbed into the Byzantium re-interpretations (re-branding?) which made more allowances for the scientific discoveries. There was a lot of early resistance to all this (e.g. the burning of the library at Alexandria) but still we retain many Olympian myths within Christianity (e.g. the eggs which signified Zeus turning himself into a swan to beget Leda's children).



...in this passage she only mentions the differences between greek myths and other culture's myths.The rest i wrote. Are you saying that the Greeks abandoned these myths after socrates/plato, and if they did why would they its what brought them to the point they were at. And also what you are saying is that the teachings of Jesus were copied from Socrates/plato, with a heaven / hell component tht the Greeks didnt believe in. I really dont understand how you can compare the Ancient Greeks to Christianity, when you also make a reference to the early christians burning down the library of Alexandria...isnt that act alone enough to say tht the christians werent interested in knowledge but rather in control, which the Greeks werent.
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Re: Rebranding Greece

Postby Get Real! » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:07 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Again, your ducking from the point you made that the scripture calls them "CYPRIOT". It does not! They are either "men from Cyprus" (who spoke Greek) or they are Levites or Jews (who cares?) "from Cyprus" not "CYPRIOTS" - again, revealing your lies!

Are you SERIOUSLY denying Mnason and Barnabas' country of origin??? :lol:
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