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[GreekIslandGirl]

Cyprus is part of the Greek world.

You verify exactly what I said!

Everything is a part of something. Polis, Cyprus, Greece, EU, Earth, Universe ... We have every right to hold on to our hard-earned identity (written in our history), and our known and respected place in this world.

- 'Rebranding' has its drawbacks too.

[ZoC]

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[kurupetos]

Born in Cyprus, taught in Cyprus, lived in Cyprus…a true Cypriot!

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No you're a Charlie from Australia.

He suffers from Choirokitianism...

[supporttheunderdog]

... when in fact the Phoneicians had probably been coming since aboout 1000B or earlier.

Where are these facts?

Herdotus (who predated Pytheus about 100 years) mentioned the Trade in Tin from some Islands north of what is now known as Spain:

Tin was certainly being traded from Britain in about 1000 BC.

http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba91/feat2.shtml

People from the med were being buried in Britain as early as 1550 BC or so (the Amber boy)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11421593

Having previously agreed on the records of a Greek (Pytheas) being the first to circumnavigate and chart Britain (opening the way for more Greeks and Romans) we also agree we have another Greek (Herodotus) recording historical events of the time. How can you now come along to defend your claim "when in fact" it was the Phoenicians all along, by supplying as evidence these two links? You have either not read them, or if read, you have not understood.

How is the first a "fact" about Tin trading by the Brits and the Phoenicians when your source implicates the most likely, the neighbours (the French?), by stating "common cross-channel metalworking connections"?

How is the second a "fact" that Phoenicians migrated to Britain when of the two skeletons one is stated as having a Baltic necklace and the other raised in a "colder climate"?

How in your mind were these historical archives regurgitated such that you dismissed all logic and jumped in to state your:- "when in fact" it must have been the Phoenicians?

Did I ever say the Phonicians migrated to Britain - I have only ever talked about trading which can be done without migtation or permanent colonisation. YOu allgeation that I discussed migration of Phonicians is in fact frankly pathetic and shows the poverty of your viewes.
(I think the theorioes of LA Waddell have been well and truly dismissed)
Pytheas was probabaly the first Greek (from Marseille) to have visited Britain, but it was clear he was going on the basis of information from others. That is proven by the works of Herodutus who was writing about tin islands about 100 years before Pytheas.

Finally why are you so dismissive of the fact that a boy who semingly grew up in the med and dies in Britain in about 1550 BC (some 1200 years pre Pytheus) could have had an amber necklace? What the item shows is that people were visiting Britain from a number of places long before Pytheus made his trip.

I understand The Salcombe ancient wreck, which probably predated Pytheus by 600 years or so, had items from Scicily on board (from a period which possibly predates the founding of Greek Colonies on the Island.

Pytheus was otherwise by no means the first explorer: one had for example Hanno and Himilco, Phonecian/Cartheginian (and Carthage was Phonician colony just as Maresille (where Pytheus came from) was Greek colony) who journied beyond the pillars of Hercules asome 300 years before Pytheus and indeed the the reported circumnavigation of Africa by the Phonicians in 600 BC.

[Get Real!]

He suffers from Choirokitianism...

Better than your suffering from a Greek villos up your arse!

[Get Real!]

Cyprus is part of the Greek world.

You verify exactly what I said!

Everything is a part of something. Polis, Cyprus, Greece, EU, Earth, Universe ... We have every right to hold on to our hard-earned identity (written in our history), and our known and respected place in this world.

- 'Rebranding' has its drawbacks too.

You can hold onto whatever Greek shit you desire for YOUR SELF but leave my sovereign country out of it.

[Admin]

I am locking this thread and other similar threads.

The question of the identity of Cypriots has already been discussed to death. You may have whatever identity you want but you may not question or mock the identity of others.

Additionally, discussions should be concentrated on Cyprus related issues since this is a Cyprus forum. Issues that concern other countries should be kept to a minimum.

I will also remind you to keep the Cyprus Problem and related issues out of the General sections of the forum.

Thank you