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[GreekIslandGirl]

You certainly have a "talent" for twisting an argument around. Here's one for you, because according to you it was better to suffer hundreds of deaths and risk dragging Turkey into the mess than to suffer British subjugation for a few more years.

Where do you get the confidence to decide an outcome of only "a few more years" (in retrospect) for all the Greek Cypriot people who otherwise wrongfully fought for freedom in the 50s (and long before) instead of waiting? They were subjugated for nearly a century by Britain, then told the discussions for freedom were over as Britain's interest will be forever served by remaining in Cyprus. The fact they conceded to retaining (only) the Bases is proof they NEVER had any intention of leaving. Yet you deem to know better than over half a million GCs who passively and actively supported the fight for Freedom. It's your overwhelming confidence in the British to do the 'right' thing which I find distressing.

As late as 1956 Prime Minister Eden tried to justify Britain's eternal hold on Cyprus:

" ... Cyprus is indispensable to Britain for the protection of her interests in the Middle East, above all, oil: "No Cyprus, no certain facilities to protect our oil supplies. No oil, unemployment and hunger in Britain..."

Turkey was always trying to regain Cyprus. It was NOT the fault of the freedom fighters.

How can some people, today, look back on our history and condemn each and every action of our people as wrong?

Some of the relatives of those hanged teenagers are still living! Is this the type of brutal regime which in "a few more years" would have left of their own accord?

Anyway ...


Here's a Churchill quote which applies to your stance:

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile—hoping it will eat him last."


- and here's another which applies generally to the state we face at the moment:


"The problems of victory are more agreeable than the problems of defeat, but they are no less difficult."

[kurupetos]

Not my words, they come straight from WSC.

Are you accusing Churchill of re writing history ?

Can you point to the source of what Churchill said please?

(...and now PC Bubble makes a run...)

[Jerry]

You certainly have a "talent" for twisting an argument around. Here's one for you, because according to you it was better to suffer hundreds of deaths and risk dragging Turkey into the mess than to suffer British subjugation for a few more years.

Where do you get the confidence to decide an outcome of only "a few more years" (in retrospect) for all the Greek Cypriot people who otherwise wrongfully fought for freedom in the 50s (and long before) instead of waiting? They were subjugated for nearly a century by Britain, then told the discussions for freedom were over as Britain's interest will be forever served by remaining in Cyprus. The fact they conceded to retaining (only) the Bases is proof they NEVER had any intention of leaving. Yet you deem to know better than over half a million GCs who passively and actively supported the fight for Freedom. It's your overwhelming confidence in the British to do the 'right' thing which I find distressing.

As late as 1956 Prime Minister Eden tried to justify Britain's eternal hold on Cyprus:

" ... Cyprus is indispensable to Britain for the protection of her interests in the Middle East, above all, oil: "No Cyprus, no certain facilities to protect our oil supplies. No oil, unemployment and hunger in Britain..."

Turkey was always trying to regain Cyprus. It was NOT the fault of the freedom fighters.

How can some people, today, look back on our history and condemn each and every action of our people as wrong?

Some of the relatives of those hanged teenagers are still living! Is this the type of brutal regime which in "a few more years" would have left of their own accord?

Anyway ...


Here's a Churchill quote which applies to your stance:

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile—hoping it will eat him last."


- and here's another which applies generally to the state we face at the moment:


"The problems of victory are more agreeable than the problems of defeat, but they are no less difficult."

The Tory toff Prime Minister Eden who was a product of the British Empire said that. The Labour government of the 1960's took a completely different view, times were changing, they knew Britain could not afford to keep all its overseas possessions and international de-colonisation laws were being adopted by the UN. Do you honestly believe that Cyprus would still be a British colony today? Name one significant British colony today. To borrow the name of your erstwhile chum, get real.

The actions of Eoka and the British reaction to that organisation opened the door to Turkey. The sad fact is that currently Turkey is more important to the West than a solution to the Cyprus problem.

What sort of "victory" are you looking for Oracle, the longer the occupation lasts the more entrenched and established the state in the north becomes, international HR laws will not allow you to kick all Turks off the island, what exactly do you propose?

[B25]

You certainly have a "talent" for twisting an argument around. Here's one for you, because according to you it was better to suffer hundreds of deaths and risk dragging Turkey into the mess than to suffer British subjugation for a few more years.

Where do you get the confidence to decide an outcome of only "a few more years" (in retrospect) for all the Greek Cypriot people who otherwise wrongfully fought for freedom in the 50s (and long before) instead of waiting? They were subjugated for nearly a century by Britain, then told the discussions for freedom were over as Britain's interest will be forever served by remaining in Cyprus. The fact they conceded to retaining (only) the Bases is proof they NEVER had any intention of leaving. Yet you deem to know better than over half a million GCs who passively and actively supported the fight for Freedom. It's your overwhelming confidence in the British to do the 'right' thing which I find distressing.

As late as 1956 Prime Minister Eden tried to justify Britain's eternal hold on Cyprus:

" ... Cyprus is indispensable to Britain for the protection of her interests in the Middle East, above all, oil: "No Cyprus, no certain facilities to protect our oil supplies. No oil, unemployment and hunger in Britain..."

Turkey was always trying to regain Cyprus. It was NOT the fault of the freedom fighters.

How can some people, today, look back on our history and condemn each and every action of our people as wrong?

Some of the relatives of those hanged teenagers are still living! Is this the type of brutal regime which in "a few more years" would have left of their own accord?

Anyway ...


Here's a Churchill quote which applies to your stance:

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile—hoping it will eat him last."


- and here's another which applies generally to the state we face at the moment:


"The problems of victory are more agreeable than the problems of defeat, but they are no less difficult."

The actions of Eoka and the British reaction to that organisation opened the door to Turkey.

Thats Bullshit, since according to the Turkish FM and I quote " .. even if there were NO moslems in Cyprus, Turkey would still be there for our own strategic interests"

EOKA was for the removal of one evil, the British. Turkey had always planned her entry to cyprus, EOKA or no EOKA.

[PC Bubble]

Oracle,
just google...Winston Churchill Greeks do not fight like heros

Simples

[Jerry]

You certainly have a "talent" for twisting an argument around. Here's one for you, because according to you it was better to suffer hundreds of deaths and risk dragging Turkey into the mess than to suffer British subjugation for a few more years.

Where do you get the confidence to decide an outcome of only "a few more years" (in retrospect) for all the Greek Cypriot people who otherwise wrongfully fought for freedom in the 50s (and long before) instead of waiting? They were subjugated for nearly a century by Britain, then told the discussions for freedom were over as Britain's interest will be forever served by remaining in Cyprus. The fact they conceded to retaining (only) the Bases is proof they NEVER had any intention of leaving. Yet you deem to know better than over half a million GCs who passively and actively supported the fight for Freedom. It's your overwhelming confidence in the British to do the 'right' thing which I find distressing.

As late as 1956 Prime Minister Eden tried to justify Britain's eternal hold on Cyprus:

" ... Cyprus is indispensable to Britain for the protection of her interests in the Middle East, above all, oil: "No Cyprus, no certain facilities to protect our oil supplies. No oil, unemployment and hunger in Britain..."

Turkey was always trying to regain Cyprus. It was NOT the fault of the freedom fighters.

How can some people, today, look back on our history and condemn each and every action of our people as wrong?

Some of the relatives of those hanged teenagers are still living! Is this the type of brutal regime which in "a few more years" would have left of their own accord?

Anyway ...


Here's a Churchill quote which applies to your stance:

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile—hoping it will eat him last."


- and here's another which applies generally to the state we face at the moment:


"The problems of victory are more agreeable than the problems of defeat, but they are no less difficult."

The actions of Eoka and the British reaction to that organisation opened the door to Turkey.

Thats Bullshit, since according to the Turkish FM and I quote " .. even if there were NO moslems in Cyprus, Turkey would still be there for our own strategic interests"

EOKA was for the removal of one evil, the British. Turkey had always planned her entry to cyprus, EOKA or no EOKA.

But the evil British would have gone sooner rather than later without the Eoka struggle. Name one colony today, or in recent times, where the indeginous population are hostile to British occupation. Turkey may have had interests and plans for Cyprus but without the Zurich agreement it would never had the "legal right" to interfere and later invade the island. Britain introduced Turkey to its Cyprus problem as a counter to the Eoka struggle. I have never disputed that some of Eoka were brave men but they were led by a jumped-up military man whose brain could see no further than the barrel of a gun.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Oracle,
just google...Winston Churchill Greeks do not fight like heros

Simples

Hello Simples.

I don't believe I care for that quote or whether he said it or not in exactly that format. I certainly have NOT provided it nor commented upon it. Why don't you check your sources/adversaries better. You seem to be flitting around in some state of confusion ...

[Jerry]

Oracle,
just google...Winston Churchill Greeks do not fight like heros

Simples

Google it yourself and pin your ears back.

He actually said: -
"Hence we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but that heroes fight like Greeks! "

[GreekIslandGirl]

Here's some others to get Simples into a frenzy ...

Sir Winston Churchill, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom:

~*~First Greece taught us that free men can be brave, and that no defeat is meant to last forever. This small nation proved to be worthy of its history.

~*~ In the name of the captured yet still alive French people, France wants to send her greetings to the Greek people who are fighting for their freedom. The 25th of March, 1941 finds Greece in the peak of their heroic struggle and in the top of their glory. Since the battle of Salamis Greece had not achieved the greatness and the glory which today holds.

[GreekIslandGirl]

You certainly have a "talent" for twisting an argument around. Here's one for you, because according to you it was better to suffer hundreds of deaths and risk dragging Turkey into the mess than to suffer British subjugation for a few more years.

Where do you get the confidence to decide an outcome of only "a few more years" (in retrospect) for all the Greek Cypriot people who otherwise wrongfully fought for freedom in the 50s (and long before) instead of waiting? They were subjugated for nearly a century by Britain, then told the discussions for freedom were over as Britain's interest will be forever served by remaining in Cyprus. The fact they conceded to retaining (only) the Bases is proof they NEVER had any intention of leaving. Yet you deem to know better than over half a million GCs who passively and actively supported the fight for Freedom. It's your overwhelming confidence in the British to do the 'right' thing which I find distressing.

As late as 1956 Prime Minister Eden tried to justify Britain's eternal hold on Cyprus:

" ... Cyprus is indispensable to Britain for the protection of her interests in the Middle East, above all, oil: "No Cyprus, no certain facilities to protect our oil supplies. No oil, unemployment and hunger in Britain..."

Turkey was always trying to regain Cyprus. It was NOT the fault of the freedom fighters.

How can some people, today, look back on our history and condemn each and every action of our people as wrong?

Some of the relatives of those hanged teenagers are still living! Is this the type of brutal regime which in "a few more years" would have left of their own accord?

Anyway ...


Here's a Churchill quote which applies to your stance:

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile—hoping it will eat him last."


- and here's another which applies generally to the state we face at the moment:


"The problems of victory are more agreeable than the problems of defeat, but they are no less difficult."

The Tory toff Prime Minister Eden who was a product of the British Empire said that. The Labour government of the 1960's took a completely different view, times were changing, they knew Britain could not afford to keep all its overseas possessions and international de-colonisation laws were being adopted by the UN. Do you honestly believe that Cyprus would still be a British colony today? Name one significant British colony today. To borrow the name of your erstwhile chum, get real.

The actions of Eoka and the British reaction to that organisation opened the door to Turkey. The sad fact is that currently Turkey is more important to the West than a solution to the Cyprus problem.

What sort of "victory" are you looking for Oracle, the longer the occupation lasts the more entrenched and established the state in the north becomes, international HR laws will not allow you to kick all Turks off the island, what exactly do you propose?

Reh Jerry - they already worked out Cyprus was one colony they would never let go of because of their future dependence on oil (all now realized as true!).

Of course they have kept other significant territories in one guise or another for example: Falklands, Gibralter, Antarctic, Indian Ocean territories plus some more (about 14 ?) - so why would they have given up Cyprus ? ( even now they refuse to give up the total of Cyprus). The evidence for their proposed eternal presence is staring you in the face.

As for Turkey's presence - it's all part of the same thing. Britain or Turkey; they are both the enemies we have been trying to extricate ourselves from for nearly 5 centuries. Finally, we have 60% of the island and the force of the EU behind us plus International recognition as to sovereignty over the 100% of the island. Yes, the Turks are still here. But so is Britain. It's not finished and this has nothing to do with EOKA that it's not finished. BUT it has a lot to do with EOKA that we have at least the 60% free and the other 40% recognized as to be liberated from occupation.

At least Churchill acknowledged why we need to free ourselves.